ACCC to call 64 Kbps expert in Optus case

 

Supersonic speed claims disputed.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) planned to call an expert witness to explain what could be achieved at 64 Kbps internet speeds in its case against ISP Optus' "supersonic" broadband plans.

The competition watchdog filed the suit in the Federal Court last week.

It contended that advertisements for Optus' upgraded HFC network, which boasted internet speeds were "supersonic", did not "sufficiently or clearly disclose" that users would be throttled to 64 Kbps once they exceeded an allocated data allowance.

The commission proposed in the Federal Court today "to put on a telecommunications expert who will say what 64 Kbps does, [including] what programs it can and can't be used to access".

"I expect it will be uncontroversial but as I only told our friends [at Optus] about it today, they may wish to put on an expert in response," the commission said.

The parties agreed to hearings for the case starting October 27, although Justice Nye Perram queried whether the dates were early enough given the commission's desire to fast-track proceedings.

The commission said that, although it contended "the advertisements were misleading and should be dealt with as quickly as possible", the late October dates represented a good balance of the parties' respective interests.

The hearings, expected to run over two non-consecutive days, would deal with all issues in the case except penalties, which the parties agreed to "be dealt with at a later date".

The commission was seeking injunctions, "civil penalties, corrective advertising and costs" from Optus and had sought to "fast-track" hearings in the Federal Court to resolve the matter quickly.

Optus said last week it was "distressed" by its status with the ACCC and had "never intended nor sought to intentionally mislead" customers via its advertisements.

It was "working with the ACCC" to resolve the latest complaints, it said.

The telco was also involved in a case with the ACCC over its unlimited broadband and phone bundles.

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ACCC to call 64 Kbps expert in Optus case
"Don't see what the fuss is about. Electrons are supersonic by definition. 64kbps is supersonic. What staggers me is that anyone would buy an internet service advertised as a million times slower ..."
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Comments: 6
peterniss
Sep 16, 2010 7:15 PM
Well given that the old dial up modems were at maximum 56Kbs (download speed) and 64Kbs is just a little bit faster than that. So that pretty much rules out any streaming media sites such as youtube, vimeo, flickr, hulu, google video, etc. As web technologies have moved forward they too take a lot more bandwidth than they used to but they will load, just very slowly. Voice over IP will work *just* but requires the use of the G.729 codec or it wont work. So to call it supersonic is a bit naughty if you ask me considering normal broadband speeds are now in the tens of megabits. Optus used to be cool but then they introduced tight download limits and thats when a lot of people left them like myself. Its not like bandwidth is expensive. Especially for such a large telco it should be as cheap as chips.
legless
Sep 16, 2010 11:21 PM
Obviously streaming media is out of the question at that speed but being "throttled" is supposed to be a "punishment" for exceeding your data quota. What do people think the ISPs are going to do; just let users keep downloading stuff at full speed even though they've used what they paid for?

Being "throttled" actually impacts on a lot of things. I'm basing my comments on being a Bigpond user not an Optus user. Usually receiving mail is OK but incredibly slow although one might want to turn off downloading the whole message until it's clear no huge attachment is there. Lots of websites are virtually impossible to load before timing out, including ironically Bigpond's own homepage and my banking site. You can forget pretty much any website that is media rich as they just take too long to load, though turning off downloading images in the browser can help, but it will make some sites unusable, as they don't follow the "alternative text" standard for images.

Basically watch what you're doing and don't exceed your limit. If you keep going over, get a bigger plan or control yourself. Take some responsibility people.
KarL
Sep 17, 2010 9:28 AM
The whole issue is not the 64k but to "shut up" Optus' ability to educate the public that the HFC potentially can compete with NBN.
anonymous
Sep 17, 2010 11:37 AM

Reality check: HFC can certainly compete now with the as-yet mostly unbuilt NBN, but will not potentially or otherwise be able to do so when a whole bunch of users jump online and/or when the NBN is fully operational.
djzort
Sep 18, 2010 8:11 PM
@anonymous:

"HFC ... will not potentially or otherwise be able to do so when a whole bunch of users jump online and/or when the NBN is fully operational"

You know that GPON is a shared medium just like cable? and that docsis 3.0 doesnt specify a maximum number of bonded channels (the current optus d3 modems can do 8 downstream channels or 343 meg/second)
ITrant
Sep 22, 2010 9:18 AM
Don't see what the fuss is about. Electrons are supersonic by definition. 64kbps is supersonic. What staggers me is that anyone would buy an internet service advertised as a million times slower than any other ISP's. No false advertising here, just ignorant consumers (and regulators, apparently).

I find Optus' candour refreshingly honest - guaranteed a million times slower than all other ISPs. They've got balls, I'll give them that.
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