Tasmania to ask residents to "opt-out" of NBN

 

Plans to introduce new laws.

Tasmania plans to create laws that would put the onus on residents to "opt out" of receiving a fibre-to-the-premises connection under the Federal Government's National Broadband Network (NBN) plan.

Tasmanian Premier David Bartlett said his Government would introduce legislation to state parliament "as soon as possible."

To date, the Tasmanian NBN roll-out used the "opt-in" model used by NBN Co in other areas of Australia, where residents had to sign and return consent forms for a fibre connection into their house.

Bartlett said that system was used "because of legal issues about entering an owner's property, to connect optic fibre, without their active consent."

It had, however, produced a lukewarm response from some residents with NBN Co forced to extend the deadlines for the return of consent forms on at least one occasion.

Bartlett said that "more than half the householders and businesses in the first three towns" to get connected to the NBN had accepted a fibre connection.

"That's a good early result. But we're also determined to get that participation even higher, and ensure every Tasmanian householder and business that wants access to super-fast broadband can get it easily and efficiently," he said.

Switching to an "opt-out" model "will ensure all accessible homes and business are automatically connected, unless they actively decline," Bartlett said.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull criticised the plan "to make connection to the National Broadband Network effectively compulsory" on ABC Radio today.

He said it would mean "significant disruption with people's homes.

"Front gardens will be dug up, these network terminals, these electronic boxes, will be installed in people's houses. And then if they choose not to connect to the NBN before too long the copper network will be switched off and then they will have no choice but to use the NBN if they want to have a fixed line," Turnbull said.

"It shouldn't be imagined that this is going to be cost-free from a householder point of view," he said.

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Tasmania to ask residents to "opt-out" of NBN
"@ Pilotyoda, yeah i agree there does have to be a Standard,and there obviously shouldn't be such inconsistencies dependant on were youlive. You said : " The remaining option would be that the ..."
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Comments: 18
walteradamson
Oct 7, 2010 4:26 PM
I'm all in favour of the NBN, in principle, but I'm astounded by this move as surely, for one thing, it simply reinforces the notion that the NBN is becoming a socialist dogma underwritten by pork-barreling and vote-buying, and serving up super profits to the shareholders in the trench diggers and cable layers who paid to laid cable to places and homes where there is no benefit?
wjc
Oct 7, 2010 4:55 PM
OK - but - as for the current system - the NBN MUST guarantee minimum DC power to the house in case of loss of mains power - AS AT PRESENT to keep the fibre terminator units UP AND RUNNING in an emergency. This is what the Government must place into any such "opt-out" legislation. After all - the NBN will be THE ONLY telecommunications provision to homes and businesses in the future - according to the plans.
This provision of basic power (~48Volts DC) has been a standard rquirement for many years and provides the user with sme resilience via a simple "plug-in" phone for emergencies. At least one ISP recommends this when they offer people a movement to a full Internet service, i.e.buy a cheap, plug in phone. Remember - those burglar, fire and like alarms may also depend upon that power.
Ohhh....don't let them argue it's too hard - "power over Ingeret" via appropriate cabling has been there for years! (The main cost is pulling it through.)
epimetheus
Oct 7, 2010 5:01 PM
walteradamson could not be more right! But then, isn't this what politics and Socialism, of course, is all about? Coercion and self interest is the be-all and end-all of Socialists world-wide!
deonast
Oct 7, 2010 6:09 PM
Walteradamson I think you are missing something. The NBN is intended to eventually replace existing coper phone lines. You honestly don't think Tesltra will want to continue running the existing infrastructure when there is a critical mass on the NBN and it starts costing them more than it is worth. So eventually everyone needs to be on the NBN. If we do leave it opt in we will then get a rush for access to it just before the mandated switch off of the legacy telstra phone network and there will be tons of complaints about delays, lack of service etc.

We might as well get the infrastructure out now and let people switch over when they want or have it there for the final cutover. It isn't like the Digital TV move where you buy a new TV and be done with it, a lot of infrastructure needs to be in place for every household or you can be sure of a lot of screaming masses, probably the same ones complaining about this now will occur because they can't get their fibre in place and it will still cost the tax payer to put it there.
astir
Oct 7, 2010 7:07 PM
deonast
I'm an IT professional living in a bit of Tasmania where it took 3 years to get off a pair gain line..and now my internet is 1MB max (no ADSL2).
On the mainland you have to have electricity and gas connected and you can't opt out of the connection I think.
in 10 years time Fiber to the home will no longer be a talking point, just as a copper POTS connection isn't now. The void cannot be filled by wireless or coax-fiber hybrid technologies. My current connection has cost me the ability to run a full time IT business from home. That's just for starters!
listohan
Oct 7, 2010 7:09 PM
If people in the regions are so slow to be led to the horse trough for a drink, I am sure there are many in more tech savvy parts of the nation who would rush out to greet the NBN truck and offer the crew a slab of beer.
Francis
Oct 7, 2010 8:34 PM
There are many different solutions to the power required to run the home phone when the power fails.
Solar charged battery backup, Simple UPS Systems or even a single fibre supplying power to a Photonic cell to mention a few or even a combination of all the above.
The problem we really face is that ConBoy is either secretive or making things up as he goes along and not taking the consumer/electorate into his confidence.
I would implore Prime Minister Gillard to replace ConBoy with someone who is less ideology and faction bent and with more of an open personality when dealing with the electorate to dispel all the confusion going on in public.
djzort
Oct 7, 2010 9:47 PM
@Francis: conroy is a faction leader within the labor party. NBN is very much his pet project he intends to use as a bold and underlined line item in his political resume.

NBN is nothing more than a vote spinner.
Mabelode
Oct 8, 2010 8:10 AM
I agree. I also want to opt-out of the electricity smart meters.
dave68IT
Oct 8, 2010 9:34 AM
I don't have to opt out of telephone or electricity or gas? Why should people have to opt out of this?
Bob
Oct 8, 2010 9:56 AM
I have owned 5 properties in the Sydney Metropolitan area and not one of them has had gas available and two didn't have water available, so people in Tasmania shouldn't think they are necessarily under serviced. For every property I did however have the phone available and would certainly have had Internet available on Next G.

I also run an IT business as well as a photography business and recently upgraded my Next G gateway to ADSL but kept the Next G to use from my car. Uploading raw image files of 25MB each as I shoot is no problem. Those that say they NEED 100Mb/S to survive I think are usually kidding themselves and ethernet is available over copper anyway.

I'm all for fibre but the carriers were prepared to do it for free back in the 90s. Why don't we just let them.
johnpro2
Oct 8, 2010 11:31 AM
@bob:"I have owned 5 properties in the Sydney Metropolitan area and not one of them has had gas available and two didn't have water available".

*********
Good point ..I & all my neighbors for many KM's still have to process our own sewage on site, just like in Calcutta India.

No we are not out in the boondocks ..this is in Morayfield Qld which is the 2nd fastest growth areas in Oz & some very expensive properties .....

Speedy internet or speedy shit removal ..? What would you prefer?
Pilotyoda
Oct 9, 2010 10:46 PM
@Bob. Glad you have a fast enough service to upload a 25MB file, or can afford it. It would take around 20 mins to upload on my ADSL2+ connection. I Can't even watch higher quality YouTube clips without pauses, so uploading, say 20, RAW images is not an option. Neither is watching ABC I-View. Telstra would try to sell me a T-Bpox to watch movies, but it would not be viable to watch even Standard Definition movies on my "high performance" ADSL2+ service. I know someone in the burgeoning suburb of Cranbourne and they can only Get ADSL1. They must wait for a year or so for a connection.

Bring on the fibre
X_Selectar
Oct 10, 2010 10:04 PM
The NBN, Internet, Technology in general has become a neurotic obsession in Australia. Could someone give a vital reason why a download speed of 1 MB's ps is inadequate ? I quote that figure just as an example of what I feel is a great speed for a Home user.
I believe there is a lot of misconceptions about Internet Speeds. If looked at close up really I don't know that we all need, at home, fibre optic connections reaching speeds of 100 mb/s. it seems to me personally more an "Industrial" rate of data transfer, and I feel we do need to pidgeon hole users for need, rather than blanket the country with a huge debt, and a lot of trenches !

Firstly and foremost get the outlying country towns on some decent lines, in middle Australia radiating outward. People without a Internet connection in the bush really need one, and it doesn't need to be anything more than a general purpose connection which would drive messaging apps, like skype (etc.), and imaging software for Medical connection to hospitals, and Educational needs.
Surely people can download a movie in the city as is ? Without being so ego driven they have to have a ridiculous bandwidth which will enevitably enable hackers greater access to our internal government services which as shown in America, Britain, and Europe are what hackers are doing, and will do.
Just my two cents.
Pilotyoda
Oct 11, 2010 8:37 PM
@Bob: you are right. Before Telstra was privatised they would have done the upgrade because that would have been part of their normal process. Why would they have switched to fibre? because that is what they say as a requirement for the near and long future. Why did they stop? Privatisation. Profit comes before the community adn let the taxpayer pay for everything anyway and they (the investors) take the profit.

@X_Selectar: 1MB=8Mb. I get 1/8 of what would satisfy you. 1 DVD (SD = 720P) is 4.5GB At the speed you would be happy with there is no spare bandwidth for someone to concurrently access even a couple of Youtube clips, let along a family doing lots of online work. If you want hi-def, you are out of luck. gamers don't necessarily need super speeds but do need low ping times (and high speed and low ping times is cruical to real-time control for engineering, surgery and the military (I would be happy if the last one did not come about).
I might be happy with 10-25MB, but with the current system I would never know.
X_Selectar
Oct 11, 2010 10:40 PM
@Pilotyoda: 1MB=8Mb, well actually, no I MB=1024Kb's, but that is splitting hairs, and even further adding to the purse of ISP's. I have a 1500/256Kbps, with 12 GB's data then slowed. They actually say in the contract 12,000 MB's, rather than 12GB's, as 12GB's is 12288 MB's !
I digress.

I asked, "Could someone give a vital reason why a download speed of 1 MB's ps is inadequate ?"
Pilotyoda says:
"I get 1/8 of what would satisfy you."
But I was not asking about 1/8 of a MB/s connection !

"At the speed you would be happy with there is no spare bandwidth for someone to concurrently access even a couple of Youtube clips, let along a family doing lots of online work."
I must strongly disagree. At 1500 Kbps I can concurrently watch at least six Youtube Videos.
@ Pilotyoda:
Then once again, the blanket thinking:
"If you want hi-def, you are out of luck. gamers don't necessarily need super speeds but do need low ping times (and high speed and low ping times is cruical to real-time control for engineering, surgery and the military (I would be happy if the last one did not come about)."
Now as you have just listed some applications requiring different data speeds, which is what I'd like to address.
Should not Home Users, Business, High Technology (i.e. medical Apps), Military have options to choose their Bandwidth ?
I'm basically worried what a home user is going to do with a 10-25MB data download speed, for Entertainment. It just exasperates security issues, and pirating issues.
Pilotyoda
Oct 12, 2010 8:29 PM
@X_Selectar. I am glad you have such good service. The point is that not everyone gets that. But as my service is ADSL2+ I cannot get any upgrades on anything but fibre, even though I only get about 800kbit average and 2.0Mbit max (if I get up in the middle of the night).

As for those actually needing grater bandwidth than the norm,how do you propose they get it if we do not have a universal high performance system. The remaining option would be that the police, military, airports, IT companies, businesses, gamers, doctors, hospitals, engineers, ETC; each and singularly arrange special infrastructure so they may just do what they need to do. And too bad if the people at the other end of their connection don't have a matching service/can't afford to make such investments. Then it would all be a waste of time. Or our business would go offshore.

Many people may actually make use of such bandwidth given the opportunity. Just because people like you and I currently don't have a use for it, it doesn't mean others won't.
X_Selectar
Oct 13, 2010 1:31 AM
@ Pilotyoda, yeah i agree there does have to be a Standard,and there obviously shouldn't be such inconsistencies dependant on were youlive.

You said :
" The remaining option would be that the police, military, airports, IT companies, businesses, gamers, doctors, hospitals, engineers, ETC; each and singularly arrange special infrastructure so they may just do what they need to do."

I'm not sure that is such a bad idea ?

There's some obvious problems, basically introducing new infrastructure, and "layering" LAN's for specific services, it wouldn't happen any time soon, but in the future this may be the obvious solution to giving better service to both Home users, and Business, and Essential services.
Make managing dedicated networks a lot simpler, especially for home users, who could get the attention they should, + wipe out a heap of intrusions into major services from hackers and script kiddies, a long way off though obviously.

When Electricity was first introduced on a national level to homes in Britain there were varying Voltages given by different companies, appliances needed different plugs, the home user using kits of up to a dozen different plugs.
Maybe we are going to have to think harder how to layout Internet infrastructure...
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