iiTrial: Film studios don't want to sue individual downloaders

 

Appeal Day 1: New AFACT lead barrister states the film industry case.

The film industry has submitted that it is "not desirable" to sue individual internet users alleged to have infringed copyright, returning to a discussion of "authorisation" during opening submissions to the full bench of the Federal Court.

As the appeal case between the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) and ISP iiNet entered day one, the film industry's lead barrister David Catterns QC submitted that the Copyright Act allowed the studios to sue an alleged "authoriser" of the infringing activity rather than the "primary infringer" - the individual users.

"There's no person to sue in Australia for BitTorrent, but it's wrong to say we have to sue the primary infringer," Catterns submitted.

"The whole structure of the [Copyright] Act is that there's an alternative person that can be held responsible.

"We have no way of detecting these individuals. Rather than having to sue them, the Act under section 101 enables you to sue the authoriser.

"We submit that's important. It's not desirable to be suing individuals time after time."

Catterns QC said the iiNet case was "significant... not just because it relates to the internet" but also because of "the respective balance of rights and responsibilities between copyright owners and ISPs".

"Our submission is that the idea of authorisation in Australian copyright law has, since the Moorhouse case, at least become a significant legislative tool and also a practical tool for copyright owners, whereby copyright owners can achieve measurable control in developing technological uses," he said.

He argued that Moorhouse - case law that involved a University providing students with access to library books and a photocopier but not taking reasonable steps to ensure students didn’t make illegal copies of the texts - came at a time when a photocopier was a "fairly new and powerful technology" - drawing similarities with the current case, which involved the internet.

"We submit that the concept of authorisation in Moorhouse has developed into a unique position in some in ways in the Australian law concept, which is part of the balance [between copyright owners and consumers]," Catterns QC said.

"The legislature has returned to the Moorhouse case several times in dealing with new technology. Moorhouse is part of the repertoire that the legislation has in mind when dealing with these technologies.

"Moorhouse is alive and well and governing Australian authorisation law."

Catterns QC alleged that there were "clear primary infringements" of the film industry's copyright in the iiNet case that occurred via "iiNet's facilities for communication."

"We submit there is very strong evidence of the knowledge of the requisite type for authorisation," Catterns QC alleged.

"They had the power or control [mechanisms] to prevent acts of infringement and we submit they declined to do anything. Therefore it's a clear case of infringement by authorisation."

The case continues. For a complete history of the case, click here.

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iiTrial: Film studios don't want to sue individual downloaders
"Of course you don't. You break the law when your agents look over the individuals shoulder. If you tackle the ISP it can enforce regulatory intrusion and right to verify compliance without the ..."
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Comments: 18
Tom Brown
Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM
It is amusing that in 1983 Sony was defending itself against film industry copywrite holders in the same way as IINET is defending itself against Sony and their cohorts, http://supreme.justia.com/us/464/417/case.html#428

The claim the Moorhouse case applies is bogus more appropriate is GROKSTER'S CASE http://www.stephens.com.au/view/22/2005080390617

In Moorhouse the reason was the obvious and direct supply. The ISP's are only supplying a raw material like paper is in the context of photocopying or the photocopier not both. With Sony in SONY CORP. V. UNIVERSAL CITY STUDIOS it was the supply of VCR machines designed, marketed and used for the purposes of copywrite infringement. Really it was the studios looking to make a royalty from the sale of the VCR's.
Rhino
Aug 2, 2010 12:58 PM
"but it's wrong to say we have to sue the primary infringer," Catterns submitted.

And this is the what is so wrong with this case.
Ace
Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM
"We have no way of detecting these individuals.". So how do they know infringements, or how many infringements are occuring? How do they know any infringers used iiNet?

In their photocopier argument, wouldn't the photocopier have to be an invisible photocopier to be comparable?
rycrozier
Aug 2, 2010 1:50 PM
@ Ace- they have no way of knowing who an individual is just from their IP address (i.e. without iiNet using AFACT investigative data to match it with data held on iiNet's own systems, the identity of a pirate remains unknown).

In the first case, the DtecNet investigation used by AFACT limited the investigation to IP addresses within the iiNet range - which is how they say they know the infringements occurred over iiNet's network.

iiNet conceded some level of infringement occurred on its network in the first case (http://cornwalls.com.au/sharing-knowledge/legal-updates/isp-not-liable-for-its-users%27-copyright-infringement.aspx) - just not at the level's alleged by the studios.
cjc1959au
Aug 2, 2010 3:51 PM
@rycrozier "the identity of a pirate remains unknown" should be written as "the identity of an alleged pirate remains unknown" until such time as they have proved conclusively that pirating has actually occurred.

After having watched my way through 4 new DVDs over the weekend, and the AFACT crap on piracy each time, I'm getting so tired of AFACT assuming I am guilty first UNTIL I prove myself innocent!
rycrozier
Aug 2, 2010 4:03 PM
you're right yes. Trying to answer comments and write pieces :S
Ace
Aug 2, 2010 4:37 PM
OK, I see. The fact does seem to be that an overwhelming amount of bit torrent content is illegal copies of movies etc.

I guess the question with regard to the case is 'who is the cop'. The ISP can't spy on the content (probably illegal to for a start), so the 'photocopier' is invisible. All the ISP can do I would think is have people sign contracts that forbid illegal downloading, and provide other notices. Even with this, they would only have the power to disconnect the user if the user admitted breaking the contract and was to downloading illegal content.
Res
Aug 2, 2010 4:48 PM
"iiNet conceded some level of infringement occurred on its network"
iiNet would also concede some level of activities using their services are used for other criminal activities, should iiNet also be prosecuted for these too? *sigh*
Res
Aug 2, 2010 4:55 PM
@Rhino - never truer words spoken
It's "too hard" to go after the real bad guys, much easier to assassinate the messenger instead, that is what is truly wrong with the system in this country.

AFACT could apply and receive users details via Court Orders and prosecute them, it wouldn't take long for word to get around and it'd be a safe bet the offences would reduce dramatically, however, no real money in it for going after the actual offender.

I wonder, If I'm ever arrested and charged for a serious crime, that I drove to, I can say " hey, dont go after me, go after ford, they gave me the means, and whilst your at it, MRD let me travel their roads to get there too"
anonymous
Aug 2, 2010 6:26 PM

Yes, Res and others, it's hardly compelling to read above that the very expensive mouthpieces have tried to claim "There's no person to sue in Australia for BitTorrent, but it's wrong to say we have to sue the primary infringer".

Using terminology like primary infringer may make the people writing their cheques feel good, but appears to do nothing to resolve the allegation that the network operator must be responsible for all the actions of the people using the network.

Next (perhaps) - a road builder is allegedly guilty of bank robbery because the thieves used that road for their getaway. Nah, that would be a really stupid assertion, wouldn't it?
Jahm Mitt
Aug 3, 2010 11:59 AM
Lets have some enforced honesty from the opposition - THANKYOU.

Thieves? It's the members of AFACT that are cooking the books, and ripping off their own artists.....

The fact that they are trying to fence everyone into their their greedy and "corporate moron" distribution methods, kind of shows them up for the thieving lying hypocrites they really are.


http://torrentfreak.com/tech-news-sites-tout-misleading-bittorrent-piracy-study-100724/ [torrentfreak.com]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtml [techdirt.com]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-disney-20100708,0,4051564.story [latimes.com]
Ace
Aug 3, 2010 1:58 PM
@Jahm, as covered in other stories here, some of those links are making as dubious claims as AFACT themselves.

Of course the links regarding dubious accounting are not really related to this iiNet case. This case is a lot more of a technical argument.
ShaneWPlumb
Aug 3, 2010 2:06 PM
The reason they don't want to sue customers is that it's likely to make those people boycott their products. Going after the ISP forces them to go through other methods to obtain the content.

Just because the ISP can tell what people have been doing after the fact doesn't mean they authorise people to do it in the first place.
Rhino
Aug 3, 2010 4:05 PM
I don't think people will boycott their products Shane, they don't want to sue individuals because it's too hard.

they need to get as much information as they possibly can, they also need to go to a court of law to get a warrant or something, then they can proceed to sue the individual. I'm sure there are other steps in the puzzle, but at the end of the day it would be a fairly length and costy exercise.

So in a court of law they have (in a roundabout way) admitted in public that they are too lazy to abide by the laws of this country and are therefore looking for an easy result.

I don't think it's wrong to sue the infringer, after all they are the ones who have broken the law.
Bazwalt
Aug 4, 2010 4:33 PM
All the ISP can do I would think is have people sign contracts that forbid illegal downloading, and provide other notices."

That's what the acceptable use policy is for. Virtually every ISP has one (if they don't - they should slap themselves). Typically this policy will state that Internet connection must not be used to copy, reproduce, or distribute any copyright materials which do not belong to the user.

Most ISPs will tie the AUP in with the contract that way if you accept an internet connection - you promise you won't be a bad boy/girl.

As most of you have already mentioned, ISPs ultimately are just the transport medium and act neutral during the entire process. They don't encourage, authorize or block torrenting - especially since Torrenting has many legal uses (WoW, SC2 anyone??).

It really is just a waste of resources for an ISP to play cops and robbers and get their hands dirty for the Film Studios. So long as the ISP cooperates with a federal warrant for investigation or termination of an internet service than that is the length of responsibility for them
Bazwalt
Aug 4, 2010 4:36 PM
Further to that - I'll give an example..

If I walked down to the nearest gas station and set a guy1 on fire - who should the guy1 sue?

The gas station didn't give me permission to set guy1 on fire...I just did it. Even though the service station has cameras and all kinds of surveillance in place...it can't be held accountable.

Do you see the similarities?
Pilotyoda
Aug 5, 2010 9:44 PM
So, according to AFACT, if I holiday in China, and having access to "cheap" videos, if i buy a hundred or so and bring them home, they should be allowed to charge QANTAS with my breach. Of hold Vic-Roads accountable because I drove a getaway car down the highway after robbing a bank.

The individual is responsible for crimes committed, not the carrier. And they are expected to also prove intent, not just a download happened. No wonder they are trying it on the ISPs
netizen
Aug 10, 2010 2:56 AM
Of course you don't. You break the law when your agents look over the individuals shoulder. If you tackle the ISP it can enforce regulatory intrusion and right to verify compliance without the individuals having any right to privacy.
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