Day 19: Film studio “prism” distorts iiNet activities

 

ISP’s barrister presents an alternate reading.

The film industry’s reading of case law and of ISP iiNet’s internal documents was distorted by the “prism of concern” the studios had for their copyrights, the Federal Court heard today.

iiNet's lead barrister Richard Cobden told the court that “innocuous” and “perfectly normal” activities, including the sign-off on iiNet’s welcome email to new customers that reads “happy downloading” and opportunities to upgrade their monthly usage quotas, were “seen by the applicants as practically radioactive.”

“It’s all seen through the prism of the applicant’s concern for infringement of their copyright,” Cobden alleged.

“If one steps back, takes that prism away and looks at the iiNet business, almost every internal document and announcement takes on a very different complexion.

“A great deal of what Your Honour has been taken through, when not viewed through the prism of the applicant’s point of view, does not amount to infringement.”

Cobden highlighted the film industry’s argument that migrating users to higher download quotas encouraged illegal downloads. He made the point that users “can’t use the internet without downloading” in an attempt to clarify that not all downloading activity was illegal.

He also mentioned iiNet’s freezone of legal content, which the film industry has attempted to argue did not discourage infringing acts.

Excusing his language, Cobden alleged the freezone argument put forward by the film industry was an example of iiNet being “damned if you do and damned if you don’t.”

The remaining part of the morning was spent by Cobden providing an alternate read of case law cited by the film industry as supporting the studio’s case that iiNet authorised infringement on its network.

Cobden spent considerable time disputing the applicability of the University of NSW vs Moorhouse judgement. That case involved the University providing students with access to library books and a photocopier but not taking reasonable steps to ensure students didn’t make illegal copies of the texts.

Cobden argued the Moorhouse case involved the University providing both the works and means of infringement.

“Moorhouse is about the provision of facilities plus the works from which the infringement is to be arrived,” Cobden argued.

“Let’s say the supply of the internet was the [equivalent of the] supply of the photocopier. In essence, we don’t supply the ‘books’ - under no circumstances does iiNet provide the films.

“Our submission is iiNet doesn’t stand in the same position as the University. We’re clearly outside [the Moorhouse judgement].”

iiNet’s closing submissions will continue this afternoon and into next week.

The case continues. You can follow the case in-full here. For a background on the case, click here.


Day 19: Film studio “prism” distorts iiNet activities
"@ITrant Hear, hear"
By TruthSphere
 
 
 
Comments: 23
btone
Nov 13, 2009 2:48 PM
“Let’s say the supply of the internet was the [equivalent of the] supply of the photocopier. In essence, we don’t supply the ‘books’ - under no circumstances does iiNet provide the films.

“Our submission is iiNet doesn’t stand in the same position as the University. We’re clearly outside [the Moorhouse judgement].”

Simple isn't it? Even an old digger could see the perfect logic in this, eh?
Rhino
Nov 13, 2009 2:55 PM
As far as Digger11 is concerned, iiNet provided the copier, provided the movies, even pushed to buttons.

Though I have found this case interesting as case law can very well be interpreted in a number of ways.
©commentator
Nov 13, 2009 3:39 PM
btone, before you get too excited you might be interested to know that Cobden, along with Bannon, successfully argued on behalf of the music industry that the people behind the Kazaa file sharing software authorised the infringement of sound recordings. The facts are not the same, of course, but Kazaa was not providing the "books" either. It was enough that they knew about widespread copyright infringement using their software, had the power to do something and did not exercise that power.
Private Citizen
Nov 13, 2009 4:19 PM
@commentator I would distinguish that in the Case of Kazaa, they were providing a singular tool that was used for the piracy. IINET is different, it is not providing a torrent service. Torrent is just one of the numerous protocols that can used through their service.
So far I am happy with the reply.
Digger11
Nov 13, 2009 4:23 PM
Hey, iiNeters, I haven't even posted about this new article and you're having a go at me.

As Ruddy would say - Fair shake of the sauce bottle!

I used to photocopy lot's of articles form books at Uni - cost me 10c each if I remember.
Was this illegal ?
pete123
Nov 13, 2009 4:27 PM
My stars. Mr Cobden shan't get far if he continues to use such obscene language. I'm aghast.
laman
Nov 13, 2009 4:50 PM
If iiNet is found guilty, will there be a place for NBN?

How about Microsoft providing an OS to people for downloading? Will they sue MS? I am sure that downloading will be less without Windows.
©commentator
Nov 13, 2009 5:10 PM
No, Digger it wasn't "illegal" if you were doing it for your research or study. The Moorhouse case was about someone who used the University's photocopier for something other than research or study.

laman, Microsoft isn't in the same sort of relationship with its customers that iiNet is with theirs. The nature of the relationship is very important in authorisation cases.
Rhino
Nov 13, 2009 5:24 PM
Actually Digger11 according to the Copyright Council of Aus, "A person infringes copyright by making a "copyright use" (e.g. copying, broadcasting, making available on a website) without the copyright owner's permission." Therefore yes it was illegal of you. The 10c was there to cover the cost of use of the photocopier, however unless you had specific written permission then you were breaking the law.

Quick call the cops on him.
Rhino
Nov 13, 2009 5:29 PM
@Iaman that is an interesting question. If someone is caught downloading on the NBN will AFACT or some other organisation go after the federal govt for providing the service?
©commentator
Nov 13, 2009 9:26 PM
Rhino, I don't think you read far enough on the Copyright Council's site; you missed the bit about research and study.


CodeSeeker
Nov 14, 2009 12:36 AM
I'd be careful if i was you Digger.. you may be infringing on Kevin Rudd copyright, unless you have been authorized to use it here.. otherwise under the 3 strike policy it will be 1 strike against you.. 2 more your internet service will be disconnected.
TruthSphere
Nov 14, 2009 11:57 AM
I'm in the process of of setting up ATRUTH so we'll be able to convict Digger11 of whatever we want without due process.
deonast
Nov 14, 2009 3:43 PM
That is one problem I have with the legal system is the precedence of previous cases. So a university was supposed to monitor everyone who used a photocopier to ensure they didn't breach copyright. So responsibility goes from those who break copyright to those who provide equipment and facilities for legitimate purposes. So I guess we should burden Universities with dedicating staff to monitoring photocopiers.
So for a past case which I find disturbing in its implications then becomes ammunition for another case in the future. One bad decision haunts us in the future.

Just seems that common sense doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with legal decisions, and societal impact is never a consideration.
©commentator
Nov 14, 2009 8:10 PM
deonast, after the UNSW case Parliament amended the Copyright Act to provide that as long as libraries in educational institutions had certain copyright warning notices near their photocopiers then they wouldn't be liable in that way again. They had to do their part in raising awareness but then weren't responsible beyond that. Parliament has tried to do a similar thing in the case of ISPs by saying that they will have a safe habour from liability if they have and implement a policy for terminating repeat infringers.
enigma
Nov 15, 2009 4:06 PM
As far as photocopying library books at uni... I think folks will find that Copyright legislation actually permits copying (whether by hand or other means, eg. photocopier)of either one (1) chapter or 10% of a written publication, whichever is LESS, when the copied material is being used for educational or study purposes.

If you copy more than this allowance, or then profit from the copies you're making, that's when Copyright is breached.
CodeSeeker
Nov 15, 2009 8:41 PM
ATRUTH (Australian Tenative Response to Undue Threat & Harrasment) primary goal is to protect Australian interest and to ensure that any copyright infrigement claim must be done through the appropriate due process.
CodeSeeker
Nov 15, 2009 8:49 PM
errata.. (Australians Taking Response to Undue Threat & Harrasment
deonast
Nov 16, 2009 1:14 PM
Thank you ©commentator that is good to know.

Interesting I just checked a manual for my old VCR and it does have a copyright notice about unauthorised recordings (which I'm sure I've ignored in taping commercial TV.
I haven't bought a computer for a long time (I like to build my own) but since they can be used to download or duplicate copyrighted information then I would expect they come with a similar warning?

I guess the manufacturers of those products wouldn't come under AFACTS attention due to, 1 being very hard to track this infringement, 2 not providing the content that is being used to violate copyright, just the equipment to do so.

Interesting legal world we live in.
Zanthius
Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM
This is like taking Xerox to court because it enables people to break copywright law. It's not what it's main intent is, but because it enables you to do so, it's their fault.
I'm guessing that if Xerox had visibility over everything that was put through their copiers, they would have been sued by now. We wouldn't allow that invasion of our privacy, so why allow ISP's to do the same?
@laman - the internet comes on computers these days?? what will they think of next. Oh, but without power, my computer wont work and enable me to download movies... SUE THE POWER COMPANIES for enabling me to break copywright.
Rhino
Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM
You make an interesting point deonast as you said that vcr, and I've assumed pvr,dvd recorder manufacturers "not providing the content that is being used to violate copyright, just the equipment to do so."

Well isn't that the same with iiNet. They're not providing the content, but their equipment is being used for the purpose of copyright infringement?
ITrant
Nov 19, 2009 12:42 PM
That this case even got to trial is an indication of the lack of understanding the courts have about technology and the laws written about it. The lack of technological rigour brought to bear on the evidence is appalling. The civil law is clear. The criminal law is clear. The lack of legal rigour being applied in this case is not bungling. This is big money buying its way around the law, the parliament and the legal system. And we need to let the courts know that we will not stand for this.
TruthSphere
Nov 19, 2009 2:44 PM
@ITrant

Hear, hear
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