Google cold on voluntary YouTube filtering

Feb 9, 2010 12:04 PM
Tags: google | australia | internet | filter | youtube | block | conroy | isp | refused | classification

No assurances given to Australian Government.

Google Australia could not give the Government an assurance it would voluntarily remove all refused classification content from YouTube, its policy head said today.

The search giant was responding to comments by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy to a Senate Estimates Committee yesterday that the Government was reaching out to Google to filter out refused classification video content on YouTube.

"YouTube has clear policies about what content is not allowed, for example hate speech and pornography and we enforce these, but we can't give an assurance that we would voluntarily remove all Refused Classification (RC) content from YouTube," Google Australia's head of policy Iarla Flynn said.

"The scope of RC is simply too broad - going well beyond child sexual abuse material into the grey realms of the socially and politically controversial as well as material instructing in any crime."

Conroy had said that it was not possible to apply ISP-level filtering to YouTube because it would introduce performance issues for the website's users.

Flynn also refuted suggestions by the Minister that the company used deep packet inspection technology to filter video content out elsewhere in the world.

"We have a bias in favour of freedom of expression in everything we do," Flynn said.

"We're also committed to complying with relevant laws, regulations and policies of the countries where we operate and we are transparent about this.

"We don't believe that comparisons between how Australia and China deal with access to information are helpful or relevant."


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Daveh
Feb 9, 2010 2:06 PM
GOOD ON YOU GOOGLE!

Love the last line. "We don't believe that comparisons between how Australia and China deal with access to information are helpful or relevant."

Upshot "You may say otherwise, but you are realistically doing the same thing as China."

I hope that Sen Conroy listens to sense now that his filter will have gaping holes within it.

gonny
Feb 9, 2010 4:13 PM
Go Google!!!

If you back down I am switching to http://duckduckgo.com/ and I am not coming back!
Res
Feb 9, 2010 4:58 PM
Why don't Conroy, Rudd and Feilding migrate to China, they would be most welcome there, and very much at home.

I note however that he ADMITS that ISP filtering sites like youtube will have a negative performance effect, could it possibly be that he is starting to realise what the rest of the country has been telling him for over a year?

My hat goes off to Google for this as well.
saveus
Feb 9, 2010 6:33 PM
"The scope of RC is simply too broad - going well beyond child sexual abuse material into the grey realms of the socially and politically controversial as well as material instructing in any crime."

Well done Google, that quote sums up perfectly the whole reason why trying to censor the internet of RC content is a pointless folly that only a moron like Conroy sees as feasible.

Google's truth about what material really constitutes RC versus Conroy's propaganda spin about it, needs to be blasted out in headlines for the whole of Australia to see. Then more voters might realise how insideous yet futile his blacklist proposal is.
Mordd
Feb 9, 2010 7:33 PM
Conroy, now you can't spin your bullshit anymore that RC is only illegal content, even the head of Google Australia is not afraid to state the truth, that "The scope of RC is simply too broad - going well beyond child sexual abuse material into the grey realms of the socially and politically controversial as well as material instructing in any crime."

Read it and f***ing weap conroy, and all those filtering scheme trolls on here, you still want to keep claiming that RC material is only illegal material like kiddy pron?
peterniss
Feb 9, 2010 8:00 PM
Good on you Google! Don't give in to idiots like Stephen Conroy. Australia does not need nor want any of this filtering garbage brought in by the Rudd government (with the exeption of the conservative christian lobby of whome this government is doing its best to align with). I enjoy my internet freedom and will vote harshly against anyone so arrogant as to believe they have the right to tell me what I can and cannot see/view or know anything about. This is not china, Kevin Ruddkipz.
bubytrap
Feb 9, 2010 9:12 PM
Beware of this government. If they continue this way, We will become a communist country in no time.
gerson
Feb 9, 2010 10:39 PM
Hahahah...What a joke!!

"Conroy had said that it was not possible to apply ISP-level filtering to YouTube because it would introduce performance issues for the website's users."

Why bother having a filter at ALL!!! What a joke.....
Mark D
Feb 10, 2010 9:46 AM
Maxxi if your reading this I am pretty sure the opinion of Google far outweighs the minority political agender to "protect the children" or set a precedence for internet control.

Leave the social engineering to the old Germany.
Johnny
Feb 13, 2010 10:00 PM
Just buy a VPN in a foreign country and completely and 100% bypass the filter.

ejobrien
Feb 14, 2010 12:13 PM
Yet another reason why the filter is a really bone-headed idea.

YouTube is just one of dozens of video sharing websites, and obviously all of the other sites are going to present the same issues. So basically there are 2 options...

1. Convince all video sharing sites to voluntarily sensor their content.
2. Block all video sharing websites, which will not voluntarily sensor their content.

Option 1 will not happen. Australia is just too small a market, we do not have that much clout. China can only do what they do because they're so big.

That leaves option 2. All video sharing websites, including YouTube would have to be blacklisted by the filter. Somehow I doubt this option would be well received.

What I suspect will happen, is that eventually the government will realise that the filter is completely unworkable, and they will have to scrap the whole idea. Before this happens though they're going to ruin our international reputation as a modern rational society, and waste billions of tax payers dollars, trying to push through this ludicrous policy.
Johnny
Feb 14, 2010 10:18 PM
It is impossible to censor the internet.

People will find what they want.

If youtube censors videos, there will be a massive decline in both revenue and hits.

I would hate it to have censored youtube videos and believe that conroy has just gone too far. Censor child pornography we all agree but censoring RC content which has a massive scope as we seem to censor everything.

They will endup scrapping the entire idea.
Johnny
Feb 14, 2010 10:24 PM
Maybe since Australia is such a small market google should threaten to completely pull out if the government doesnt completely dismiss the filter.

I'd be going to conroys house to 'say hello' with the thousands of other pissed off australians if that happened....
Creationist
Feb 16, 2010 9:29 AM
Yeah, put your hats back on, folks.
And before you start kneeling in front of Google's homepage, let me remind you that Google is and always been first and foremost a commercial enterprise. The same enterprise that was sucking up to Chinese government up until now, when (what a coincidence!) there happen to be some hiccups in USA-China relationships, with some cyber-espionage involved. That same enterprise that bends down for Islamic regimes all over the world and the same enterprise that have been struggling to make YouTube profitable for several years.
So it is up to you to decide what is there - moral principles or just another money talk. Choose your side carefully.
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