Conroy meets with Google for YouTube filtering

 

Eyes refused classification content.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy had entered discussions with Google to block access to video content that was not technically feasible to filter at the ISP level.

Conroy told a Senate Estimates committee that it was technically infeasible to apply his proposed filtering regime to web sites like YouTube because it would introduce performance issues.

The Government was instead reaching out to Google to filter out refused classification video content.

"We are in discussions with companies like Google over this issue and they're ongoing," he said.

"[Google] are experts at deep packet filtering. They're probably the world's leading deep packet filterer, unbeknownst to most people.

"They have experience in blocking material in other countries at the behest of Governments, including China, Thailand and a number of other countries."

But Google Australia's head of policy Iarla Flynn told iTnews the search giant could not give the Government an assurance it would voluntarily remove all refused classification content from YouTube.

Flynn also denied that Google used deep packet inspection to filter content in other countries.

Conroy took on notice a question from Greens senator Scott Ludlam over what other third party companies the Government was negotiating with to extend the reach of the proposed filter.

Conroy also hit back at an iTnews report last year that he had briefed the Christian Lobby on the content of the ISP-level filtering report before making the content of the report public.

He said the meeting was "routine" and that he had held similar meetings with the Internet Industry Association (IIA) and individual ISPs.

"There was no special briefing for anybody," Conroy said.


Conroy meets with Google for YouTube filtering
"Conroy is showing his true nature here. He has repeatedly said he mainly wants to censor child porn and a few other very nasty specific examples that he frequently lists - yet such material is ..."
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Comments: 17
BrettWinterford
Feb 8, 2010 6:21 PM
The fact China and Thailand are blocking content via Google is no good reason for Australia to do it. That's a remarkable comment for the Senator to make.
I would suggest that any content the Australian Government would consider "refused classification" wouldn't make it on a YouTube site anyway, as Google has its own policy for what goes live.
Ashchaya
Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM
Yet it was only a few weeks ago that we were being called over emotional by comparing Conroy's efforts with China's, now here is the man himself comparing his policy efforts with China's!

"Don't worry, after all China did it so how bad could it be?"

(5 minutes later)

"Stop comparing our filter to China's censorship!"
saveus
Feb 8, 2010 8:00 PM
There's nothing remotely like RC content on Youtube because Google checks and removes anything that would be classified beyond MA, similar to the standards permitted on television. Even the MA content requires a 'mature login' to ensure it isn't unexpectedly stumbled upon (not enforced by genuine ID).

Therefore we can only assume that Conroy's interest is in being able to direct google to block political video content that he or ACMA deem 'off limits'. Either that, or he wants to Nanny-fy Youtube such that it has nothing that wouldn't be safe for young kids.

Who ever said that the internet was designed for young kids? If a kid wants to use it, simply install software on the particular PC that the kid is using which limits its access to a group of white-listed sites that an adult guardian has verified as safe. Its not rocket science!
Reg Shoe
Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM
YouTube does indeed contain Refused Classification material.

I can't post links here, because doing so could risk $11k-per-day fines for the ITNews' webhosts, but try searching YouTube for "70k Graffiti Crew" - you'll find a film in five parts which has been Refused Classification (ACMA 2009001455)

Another one to search for is "How to grow Marijuana Indoors- I Grow Chronic", a film in nine parts, two of which were Refused Classification by the Classification Board (ACMA 2009001782)

Real worst-of-the-worst stuff, ain't it?
anonymous
Feb 8, 2010 8:49 PM

Aww, just think of the children.

Which may be the last thing on grub Conroy's mind when he tries to drum up support for his filter, despite what he says.

It seems Senator Conroy may have a lot more in mind for his secret government censorship. We may now be seeing the start of the scope creep that many people have been looking for.

scan06disk
Feb 8, 2010 10:27 PM
Why can't Conroy just stick to building the network ?!

Why does he need to babysit the whole nation ?

We're paying for the "NBNCo" anyways, we decide over the censorship regime.. eh ?!

* Tomorrows News *: Australia-China censorship thriller!!
* Communist Leaders *: Stephen Conroy(斯蒂芬康罗伊)
Thysce
Feb 9, 2010 8:56 AM
ARRGGHHH

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Bourkie
Feb 9, 2010 9:50 AM
'There's nothing remotely like RC content on Youtube because Google checks and removes anything that would be classified beyond MA...'

saveus - two words for you; euthanasia & abortion

Go and do some research.
Mark D
Feb 9, 2010 10:07 AM
labour party seems to be very good at wasting taxpayers money on "snake oil" technology
gerson
Feb 9, 2010 10:58 AM
What the F? Why would Google wanted to filter for them!!

Google, do you want me to start using Bing?
MagsTheBlue
Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM
Red Shoe was right on the money.

Correct me if im wrong but the unedited version of L4D2 was RC. so all images, reviews and movies of it are RC right?
If so then what we know about is just the tip of the iceberg.
gonny
Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM
Good one Conroy, whilst you are at it.. you had better start negotiations to filter Ninemsn and after a quick analysis, this site looks like it may need filtering too: http://www.thewiggles.com.au/
gonny
Feb 9, 2010 11:28 AM
Watching this unfold, has anyone else been tempted to look at positions in the UK or US? I am not saying I want to download anything illegal, but seriously, if they start filtering YouTube, I am almost tempted to look at Job Opportunities overseas.
legless
Feb 9, 2010 12:15 PM
Bourkie: surely therapeutic abortion is completely legal in this country.

That aside, I am sick and tired of these idiots trying to control everything. Filtering will not stop the spread of child porn. Filtering will not stop someone who is determined from getting a copy of a banned game. Filtering will not stop someone from getting information on bomb building.

It's like a lock on a door that really only keeps honest people out. It will keep the mostly law abiding and technically inept from accessing what the government doesn't want anyone to see.

So now it begins. What else is going to get added? Lots of things aren't allowed here. Execution is one. Nuclear weapons, slavery and torture are others. Does this mean we won't be allowed to research what is involved in those things?

As for Conroy briefing the Christian Lobby early, why did he do that? They are the general public not someone who is actually important. No special briefing for anybody? Any briefing he gave before the public release was a special briefing by definition.
Private Citizen
Feb 9, 2010 1:35 PM
I was thinking this through. This is not filtering - this the strict application of the classification system to all communication that uses the internet.

To prove an offence they will have to get physical evidence by raiding your home and evaluating all of the media in your home.

So what Conroy is really working on is the strict application of the classification regime to all media in your possession.

The risk of abuse is enormous, to silence any critic they basically just send ACMA to their place to review all the books, articles and media within their house and workplace. If you have purchased (or accessed) any information or media outside of Australia you going to get done for something.

As if the courts and prisons werent busy enough.
schneider
Feb 9, 2010 1:58 PM
Legless,

It's not even like locking the door. It's like locking the window. People doing the illegal activities don't even use the medium they are shutting down! It's PR with no sustains.

pretty much like everything the Labour party has done so far.
Sams
Feb 9, 2010 3:33 PM
Conroy is showing his true nature here. He has repeatedly said he mainly wants to censor child porn and a few other very nasty specific examples that he frequently lists - yet such material is already routinely removed from Youtube by its owners. So ask yourselves: what does he really want? One can only conclude that the man is a liar.
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