Turnbull tests NBN Co-pays amendment for greenfields

 

Fork out for ownership of passive infrastructure and third-party fibre.

Shadow communications minister Malcolm Turnbull has flagged an amendment to greenfields legislation that could see NBN Co pay to own pit-and-pipe infrastructure and third party-deployed fibre in new housing estates.

Turnbull used a parliamentary committee on the NBN to test the waters for his amendment, which would require NBN Co to buy out the networks of private fibre operators, assuming they were built to NBN specifications.

NBN Co would have to commercially agree on a price per house. Pit-and-pipe alone ranges from $500 to $1,000; with fibre can be up to $3,500 a lot, although it's more commonly about half that.

The amendment, if passed, would differ significantly from current NBN greenfields provisions, which make housing developers responsible for rolling out pit-and-pipe that is signed over to NBN Co to get fibre.

Developers could also choose - at their own expense - to have a third-party such as Opticomm or OPENetworks roll out fibre in their estates, instead of NBN Co.

The Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Fibre Deployment) Bill 2011 was expected to be debated in the House of Representatives next week.

It denoted NBN Co as fibre provider of last resort for greenfields developments of 100 premises or more, built after 1 January this year.

Telstra was responsible for deploying telecommunications infrastructure in smaller developments.

The Coalition amendment would be raised once the bill was brought to the House of Representatives.

Negotiations had begun with independent cross-benchers and the Greens to garner support for the amendment.

Representatives from the Department of Broadband would not comment on the amendment specifically but warned any significant changes to the legislation could push its passage back another six months, having already been delayed a year.

Despite clarification attempts by Communications Minister Senator Stephen Conroy this week, developers and third-party fibre builders have sought greater certainty on the division of responsibiltiies in greenfields estates.

Third-party builders, in particular, feared NBN Co acting as provider of first resort to housing developers, effectively shutting them out of work.

Developers, on the other hand, remained concerned about pit-and-pipe ownership after a four-month tussle between Telstra and NBN Co over who the handover of passive infrastructure built by Telstra under contract with housing developers.

Mixed response

Turnbull's amendment was put to the likes of the Productivity Commission, the Department of Broadband, greenfields operators Opticomm and TransACT, and the Housing Industry Association.

The greenfields operators all tentatively supported the amendment.

"We would never love to build a network and see it go to someone else," Opticomm chief executive Paul Cross said.

"[But] the concept is better than where we stand today."

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Turnbull tests NBN Co-pays amendment for greenfields
"advocate personally attacks HC for making personal attacks... I see the hypocrisy and irony of your actions and accusations have gone straight over your own head… how delicious! I’d suggest, ..."
By Rizz
 
 
 
Comments: 15
Rossyduck
Jun 20, 2011 9:28 AM
Government is trying to nationalise an industry, the very existence of the independent operators is an affront to it and makes a lie of its claims that it needed to step in to this segment. It wants them wiped away, and any chance that they will show up NBN Co or impact is tenuous ROI. Thank g-d our system has allowed those with a conscience to delay until this can be thought through properly, unlike roof bats, cattle and so on. Lets hope the labour backbenches vote with their conscience.
Tom Brown
Jun 20, 2011 10:38 AM
Rossyduck: like a lame duck you misrepresent the situation.
John Hilverts article says it all in the last line.

And that is the case, prior to the NBN, Greenfield estate developers were not going to third party operators due to difficulties of selling properties not serviced by Telstra and unsure that Telstra would service the developments with the fird party infrastructure at all.

Now that stranglehold is broken the third party providers can get a go. As usual they just want to do it as cheap as possible and the developers are looking to dain additional financial benefit.

Mr Turnbull is again involving himself in minutiae as he has nothing to say about the larger issues.
Ace
Jun 20, 2011 12:54 PM
MT is doing what he can to push the final price-tag of the NBN higher. Delays, amendments etc etc. Thank goodness our system is transparent enough for people to see just what these tactics are costing the country. And BTW, the only people with bats in their roofs live in caves.

Edited by Ace: 20/6/2011 12:56:12 PM
Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 6:12 PM
I find it quaintly amusing that the misrepresenting lame duck (thanks TB) needs to be the first poster at every NBN blurb, umm, primarily misrepresenting everything, imo!

HubertCumberdale
Jun 20, 2011 6:51 PM
Rizz wrote:
I find it quaintly amusing that the misrepresenting lame duck (thanks TB) needs to be the first poster at every NBN blurb, umm, primarily misrepresenting everything, imo!

I think you'll find Rustyducts isn't here to debate or converse with anyone, besides being the first poster on these stories I have yet to see him reply to other posters. The replies to articles are spat out in an almost robotic fashion hoping that the anti-NBN spin will work. Might work on other sites such as The Australian with ill-informed drones but this is ITnews he'll have to put in a bit more effort to fool anyone.
Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 7:20 PM
Ah, ok... HC, thanks for the heads up!
advocate
Jun 21, 2011 9:49 AM
Those comments by Rizz and HubertCumberdale are amongst the most shining examples of blatant in your face hypocrisy you will ever see.
sydneyla
Jun 21, 2011 10:26 AM
We all know that Rizz and Hubert are legends in their own minds and are unable to suffer the opinion of others but I would think that Malcolm, by his past performance, should be allowed to express his views.
Ace
Jun 21, 2011 11:23 AM
@advocate, I think you'll find that HubertCumberdale is more than happy to respond to any comment you care to make. So, possibly the the word 'hypocrisy' is not the word you're looking for. Maybe 'responsive' or 'engaging' would be better?

@sydneyla, hasn't MT been expressing his views for quite some time now? What was wrong with him that he couldn't raise all the issues he's raising now 1 or 2 years ago? Is it really taking the opposition that long to grasp what the NBN is all about?
Rizz
Jun 21, 2011 11:31 AM
@advocate... coming from one as pedantically childish as you, that is pricless...

Tell us again that Telstra's network is National Broadband Network not a PSTN - because you said!

Tell us before roads there were no roads. Still your best...!

Tell us the NBN will fail like HFC.. then flip and say you betcha the NBN will be a success that's how monopolies work...

Love your work (most humorous indeed)...

@ sydneyla... ffs.

You cry personal attack and ask me to move on, then come here to instigate the above umm, personal attack for no reason, unprovoked...

Begone greediest of all greedy TLS sharholders or the gloves are off...!
HubertCumberdale
Jun 21, 2011 12:18 PM
advocate wrote:
Those comments by Rizz and HubertCumberdale are amongst the most shining examples of blatant in your face hypocrisy you will ever see.


This is just plain false but more to the point do you seem to be trying to divert this thread, no doubt you are still hurting from your last humiliating defeat so it is understandable.


sydneyla wrote:
We all know that Rizz and Hubert are legends in their own minds and are unable to suffer the opinion of others but I would think that Malcolm, by his past performance, should be allowed to express his views.


I've always welcomed others opinions. It's not my fault you and the rest of your ilk lack the debating skills necessary for topics such as this. Instead you cry "personal attack" in an attempt to silence those you disagree with. That is despicable. I would never do such a thing even if someone actually did it to me. I'd much rather hear their opinions along with the diatribe so everyone else reading knows what sort of person they are.

As for Malcolm Turnbull he is allowed to express his views and he has many platforms to do so. He has parliament. He has the media. He has the internet. The only one I have is the internet (the great equalizer) and you are trying to tell me I can’t critise politians here? Get lost.
advocate
Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM
HubertCumberdale wrote:

This is just plain false but more to the point do you seem to be trying to divert this thread

You and Wizz Fizz are the masters of that strategy.

, no doubt you are still hurting from your last humiliating defeat so it is understandable.

Dreaming again HC?, you are joking.

I've always welcomed others opinions.

..... as long as they agree with you.

It's not my fault you and the rest of your ilk lack the debating skills necessary for topics such as this

More blatant hypocrisy, you just cannot help yourself can you?

HubertCumberdale
Jun 21, 2011 12:59 PM
advocate wrote:
You and Wizz Fizz are the masters of that strategy.

Apparently that would make you a grandmaster...

advocate wrote:
Dreaming again HC?, you are joking.

Do I really need to post the URL to that thread on Delimiter?

advocate wrote:
as long as they agree with you.

No I welcome everyone's opinions. I even welcomed yours over at Delimiter but instead you avoided the question I asked.

advocate wrote:
More blatant hypocrisy, you just cannot help yourself can you?

How is it hypocrisy? It's true, you simply lack the debating skills. I'm sure you'll get better one day but trying to do it with topics such as the NBN will just lead to more frustration for you.
umbria
Jun 21, 2011 3:01 PM
(Can you guys stop attacking each other, please? Thank you.)

Anyway, if Rossyduck can show me even one commercial player who is falling over itself in the rush to deliver low-latency, high-bandwidth broadband to regional Australia for the same price as in the cities, his assertion might make some sense. But there isn't, so it doesn't.

Malcolm Turnbull's amendment should make no material difference at all, so it is just another time-waster. NBNCo will probably be quite happy either way, provided compliant fibre is handed over to them for about the same price as it would have cost them to contract the work.
Rizz
Jun 21, 2011 3:55 PM
advocate personally attacks HC for making personal attacks...

I see the hypocrisy and irony of your actions and accusations have gone straight over your own head… how delicious!

I’d suggest, you probably fell off your chair because “you couldn’t see past your nose”…
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