Productivity Commission investigates NBN Co

 

Probes greenfields role.

The Productivity Commission has committed approximately three months and a full-time employee to investigate allegations of anti-competitive behaviour by NBN Co in new housing estates.

Commission chairman Mike Woods told iTnews that he would also personally assist in the investigation, along with another research officer.

“We understand the importance of the investigation and we are resourcing it we think suitably," he said.

Although it was anticipated to run for three months, Woods could not set a specific timeframe to wrap up the investigation when he fronted a parliamentary hearing Friday.

The investigation was sparked by three separate complaints from private greenfields fibre builders, led by Greenfield Fibre Operators Australia chairman and OPENetworks' Michael Sparksman.

The coalition of operators were concerned that NBN Co was promoting its role in greenfields as a "provider of first choice" to housing estate developers, rather than as the "provider of last resort" under its Federal Government mandate.

TransACT chief executive Ivan Slavich said a last resort situation would involve NBN Co only rolling out fibre in cases where third party operators had faced difficulties installing fibre or issues external to the development.

Sparksman had alleged that proposed greenfields legislation and the actions of NBN Co to date were "anti-competitive".

 "The Australian Government is also ignoring its own competitive neutrality policy that the government has for government-owned enterprises like NBN Co," he said.

"That policy dictates that no competitive advantage should be given to the government-owned business over private sector competitors by virtue of its public sector ownership or by using fiscal or regulatory powers."

He said the Government should fund competitive greenfield fibre operators on the same basis as NBN Co in estates where the developer had chosen a third party.

Cost-benefit analysis edges closer

Shadow communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull continued to push Woods to undertake a cost-benefit analysis of the National Broadband Network on Friday.

He sought a specific comparison of fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) and the fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) technology, the latter which he had been trumpeting as a more cost-effective solution.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon went so far as to suggest that the parliamentary committee could submit a formal terms of reference for such an analysis, which would suit the scope of the commission’s duty as dictated by Prime Minister Julia Gillard. 

“Depending on the specific nature of the request, if it’s a matter that is brought within our information knowledge and capacity then we would [do it],” Woods said.

“We’re here today to assist the committee in its deliberations.”

The commission has supported the notion of a cost-benefit analysis of the project for some time, submitting to the original Senate inquiry into the project in 2009 that such a project could even “gold plate” the Government’s proposal.

Woods further pushed the idea during the hearing, stressing that in any situation, the “lowest cost is not always the best outcome”.

“It’s a matter of working out what options produce the best benefits,” he said.
“Sometimes the net benefit of that option can be greater than the option based on the cheapest possible cost.”

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Productivity Commission investigates NBN Co
"Well well well - seems the three stooges are still putting up their feeble and arguments that the tax payers of this country should pay so they can download 7million DVD's a second. Yawn. Hooby, ..."
By deepthroat
 
 
 
Comments: 21
Rossyduck
Jun 20, 2011 8:58 AM
It is a disgrace that a Government uses its legislative powers and our Tax $$ to wantonly damage an established industry sector with over 400000 established customers - 399 950 more customers than NBN Co has - especially when it has used that sector to show it how to build TasmaniaNBN. The cattle fiasco can at least be explained as a bunch of incompetent city kids unaware of the damage the politically expedient option would have - their behaviour in Greenfields beggers belief by any measure of democratic (and even some autocratic societies). Rather use our tax $$ where they are needed - in the other national disgrace - rural areas with no backhaul to supplement this token NBN Co wireless system. Even more alarming and boding badly for us under a monopoly NBN Co with quasi-legislative powers (see the proposed Deployment Bill) is the gusto in which NBN Co steped in to crush the Greenfields industry. Suppose that is to be expected with our tax $ providing $250000 on target earnings incentives.

Good on Turnbull for at forcing the government to look at alternative - but even better - lets keep government out of this sector - let them legislatively level the playing field, provide backhaul where there is no economic market and facilitate access. Much as the much larger global WWW was built, let the market decide the technology. Only get involved where it is economically not viable to meet nationally agreed performance objectives.

HubertCumberdale
Jun 20, 2011 11:32 AM
Rossyduck wrote:
Good on Turnbull for at forcing the government to look at alternative


Turnbull is an idiot just like the rest of the coalition we established this months ago. The rest of your post is a robotic, repetitive and boring mess. We've heard all this nonsense in the last 10 threads you posted it in. Do you have anything original to contribute to this debate?
advocate
Jun 20, 2011 11:44 AM
HubertCumberdale wrote:

Do you have anything original to contribute to this debate?

... and your comment does? LOL

HubertCumberdale
Jun 20, 2011 12:11 PM
advocate wrote:

and your comment does?

Yes.
funkyg
Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM
..and I actually thought someone was finally investigating them for there amazing lack of productivity over the last few years!
Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 4:29 PM
... I guess it depends on whether you are measuring productivity or as the fiscally anal do, just the profitability!
Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 4:34 PM
Did advocate the king of nothing comments, just talk about contribution to the debate...?

He just, over at Delimiter (under alter ego alain), argued for two days that Telstra's PSTN is actually the Telstra National Broadband Network...LOL!!!!!!

Almost as good as his, "before roads, there were no roads..."!
MerariSchroeder
Jun 20, 2011 5:29 PM
The NBN is a mistake.
HubertCumberdale
Jun 20, 2011 5:44 PM
Rizz wrote:
He just, over at Delimiter (under alter ego alain), argued for two days that Telstra's PSTN is actually the Telstra National Broadband Network...LOL!!!!!!

Almost as good as his, "before roads, there were no roads..."!

I was tempted to comment on this story but you pretty much covered everything... that pissing in swimming pools analogy was great btw :-)
Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 6:21 PM
Cheers HC, he is such fun to prod though, eh?

Rizz
Jun 20, 2011 6:27 PM
Fair enough MerariSchroeder... everyone is entitled to their opinions...

But is that you Todd?
rokotov
Jun 21, 2011 8:32 AM
HubertCumberdale, do you have any business interest in NBN? Or you just overly concerned about "working families" like Julia and Kevin? LOL The level of anger towards NBN critics just gives you out.
Rizz
Jun 21, 2011 10:35 AM
@rokotov

Perhaps rather than $’s and political subserviency, other people can simply see the benefits of the NBN for all Australian’s “including you and your family” and therefore wish to let as many people know as possible…!

Pity you wish to hold back, not only me and my family, but your own family, out of what can only be, imo, pure political ideology or financial selfishness…

After all do you truly think you will be better off, pay less tax or receive other benefits, from either side of politics, if the NBN doesn’t go ahead?
HubertCumberdale
Jun 21, 2011 12:00 PM
rokotov wrote:
HubertCumberdale, do you have any business interest in NBN? Or you just overly concerned about "working families" like Julia and Kevin?


None of the above. I am an internet user just like everyone else, the difference is when it comes to tech related issues I am able to see the big picture and look beyond my own nose. You see no benefit with FTTH now but you are most likely the type that saw no benefit to the internet before it became mainstream.

rokotov wrote:
LOL The level of anger towards NBN critics just gives you out.


There is no anger, perhaps the anger you see is your own. As I've witnessed across many websites regarding this topic the anti-NBN crusaders certainly are an angry lot. The level of anger towards the NBN is almost surreal. It's like the government ran over their dog with the NBN. "blah blah blah how dare the government build infrastructure with our tax dollars!!! etc" However what I find really puzzling is the amount of noise they started making after the election, they would have had more credibility if what they are saying now was said when the FTTH plan was first announced. As it stands most of their arguments are simply not sincere.
advocate
Jun 21, 2011 12:55 PM
HubertCumberdale wrote:

None of the above. I am an internet user just like everyone else,

Well no you are not a internet user like everyone else you are always whining about your upload speeds, as long as the taxpayer bankrolls your upgrade to fix it.

the difference is when it comes to tech related issues I am able to see the big picture and look beyond my own nose.

Excuse me I just fell off the chair laughing.

As I've witnessed across many websites regarding this topic the anti-NBN crusaders certainly are an angry lot.

As distinct from the pro-NBN Glee club who are calm, objective, never resort to personal attacks when it all gets too hard which is often eh?

Hypocrisy runs supreme throughout your posts, as always HC.

HubertCumberdale
Jun 21, 2011 1:17 PM
advocate wrote:
Well no you are not a internet user like everyone else you are always whining about your upload speeds, as long as the taxpayer bankrolls your upgrade to fix it.

blah blah blah boo hoo hoo, the taxpayer we've been over this, it is the governments responsibility to build infrastructure, it's called progress but in the case of the NBN the taxpayers will be paid back. We've also been over the upload speed issue but I can understand why you would try to deride it. Upload speeds are more important than download speeds and this is just another glaring area where the coalition patchwork plan would fail.




advocate wrote:
As distinct from the pro-NBN Glee club who are calm, objective, never resort to personal attacks when it all gets too hard which is often eh?

Calm and objective is how people describe me in the real world too. I wasn't sure how well it was coming across in my posts. As for "personal attacks" and claims of "personal attacks" I challenge you to find an instance of anywhere where I have done this. Keep in mind context and the actual meaning of the phrase "personal attack".

Oh this never gets hard btw, in fact with you it's a bit too easy...


advocate wrote:
Hypocrisy runs supreme throughout your posts, as always HC.

Is this a new word you learned from your word of the day calendar???
Ace
Jun 21, 2011 2:48 PM
@advocate, you need to look up hypocrisy in a dictionary. You seem to be throwing the word about, but in a slightly strange way. ie: not really making sense.

I'd be quite interested to see a cost-benefit analysis.
Rizz
Jun 21, 2011 4:01 PM
...and while you are at it advocate, while educating yourself re. the word hypocrisy, here's a novel thought, why don't you also actually educate your self (even to novice status) in relation to comms!
Rizz
Jun 21, 2011 4:03 PM
...and you might want to look up "runs supreme"...LOL!!!!!
anonymous
Jun 21, 2011 6:15 PM

@Ace, Rizz, HC et al - cool it guys, we should have worked out by now that 'advocate' in various guises is making a courageous attempt to snaffle the coveted Troll of the Year award.

Unfortunately s/he hasn't worked out yet that there isn't any prize, just the opportunity to learn something from our sound and kindly contributions in the interest of trying to lift the standard of the debate.
deepthroat
Jun 22, 2011 9:29 AM
Well well well - seems the three stooges are still putting up their feeble and arguments that the tax payers of this country should pay so they can download 7million DVD's a second. Yawn.

Hooby, Ace and anonymous - got some bad news. Labor have already lost the next federal election and the Libs will kill your gaming network long before it reaches your door.

Sorry.....not your door; bet you all still live with your mummies.

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