'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely: ISOC

 

A hundred and twenty-two points of presence keep Australia online.

Australian network engineers would likely protect the country’s internet connections from political control, the Internet Society of Australia (ISOC-AU) heard last night.

Discussing the severance of connections to Egypt in January and Libya last month, ISOC-AU vice president Narelle Clarke described various methods of taking a country offline.

She speculated that phone calls from Egyptian officials likely prompted local ISPs to turn off their routers, effectively taking the country offline for five-and-a-half days.

The Libyan Government appeared to have employed a different method to take Libya offline at around 3am Australian Eastern Standard time on 4 March.

Libya Telecom & Technology – run by the son of Libyan president Muammar al-Gaddafi – provided the country with most internet and telecommunications services.

According to Clarke, it was likely that officials reconfigured Libya’s network topology during a shorter internet blackout in February so the Government could later make bandwidth unavailable.

Australia too would have a single, large, fibre operator upon completion of the $43 billion, Government-built National Broadband Network.

But Clarke brushed off the possibility of a coordinated, Government-imposed internet blackout at a public ISOC-AU meeting at Google’s Sydney headquarters on Monday evening.

Instead, she expected the NBN to improve the resilience of Australian connections with an expected 122 points of presence and greater redundancy.

“One organisation will be controlling access to end users and that leaves us with an interesting concept,” she noted.

“[But] I’m quite optimistic that our internet wouldn’t be turned off just like that … They’d have to go to 122 locations to turn it all off.

“I don’t believe the internet engineers in Australia would turn the internet off if they were told to,” she said, fondly describing a ‘ratbag’ culture of “getting around” hurdles.

Meeting attendees were less optimistic, raising concerns that data centres and communications infrastructure were particularly vulnerable to terrorist attacks.

Australia currently had two international fibre paths off its west coast, and four off its east – points that could also be exploited to sever the country’s connections with the rest of the world.

“If I was a terrorist, I assume you’d bomb them or something,” Clarke speculated. “Being an engineer, I’d unplug them.”

Clarke also acknowledged that engineers may behave differently under duress, noting that Egypt’s former ICT Minister Tarek Kamel was a former ISOC board member.

“The folk that knew him believe that he wouldn’t have done it [severed Egyptian internet connections] without a gun to his head,” she said.

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'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely: ISOC
"LOL @Maxxi, but just so I don't misunderestimate you again, you are saying that people peacefully holding up placards at a rally in Canberra equates to democracy being non-existent and violent ..."
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Comments: 19
djzort
Mar 22, 2011 9:03 AM
Australian only have a small number of international links. Shut them down and goodbye twitter, facebook, most of youtube and google. perhaps also hotmail, gmail, yahoomail.

itnews.com.au is hosted internationally... so goodbye itnews.
MerariSchroeder
Mar 22, 2011 9:24 AM
There's no end to the people lining up to be Conroys "favorite".

"I’m quite optimistic that our internet wouldn’t be turned off just like that … They’d have to go to 122 locations to turn it all off."

Oh no, they'd have to go to all 122 locations! The agony! She makes it sound soooo hard.

I'm not about to say that an Australian government would, but the fact is they could VERY easily implement a kill switch.

It could be as easy as remote login to managed routers, to as difficult as having one person visit each of the sites (it might take a week). It's very possible.

" fondly describing a ‘ratbag’ culture of “getting around” hurdles."

That's not very reassuring. So what happens when they have a pay dispute, the "ratbags" can just turn off our internet can they?

Very interesting article...
scooter
Mar 22, 2011 10:12 AM
Of course the NBN designers would have been too stupid to put in central monitoring and administration that would allow them to put in a default route to nowhere.
Come on people, are we really that naive?
EMwyres
Mar 22, 2011 11:16 AM
I'm surprised that someone in a position such as ISOC-AU vice president believes that disconnecting Australia from the internet would require someone to visit all 122 POI locations and shut them down.

If you want to disconnect Australia from the internet, all you have to do is shut down the cable stations - (about a dozen) - and Australia is cut off from the rest of the global internet.

Shutting down the POIs would shut down the internet WITHIN Australia. It would be a matter of logging in remotely to the routers/switches/etc and issuing a shutdown command on them.

The concept that "someone would have to visit each site" is a load of cobblers.

Don't see much credibility in anything she is saying.
developerchris
Mar 22, 2011 12:33 PM
Ratbag engineers who fear for their jobs and even perhaps their lives will cut internet access.

Or is Narelle Clarke saying that such ratbags be a protected species under the law? able to perform their own agenda with no consideration of the outcome.

While I can understand the joviality of her answer it does not preclude putting a true protection system in place which prevents any government from depriving its people from free access to the internet and without artificial censorship
umbria
Mar 22, 2011 3:31 PM
So, @Merari, what do you suggest? Of course, it makes no difference whether the NBN has one or a million POIs when routing can be managed remotely with a scripted command.

What a stirrer you are!

More serious is the ordinary outages that will occur now that the network complexity has been exponentially increased. The original proposal was for every capital city to have two geographically separate POIs for redundancy. Every regional node would have multiple paths back to the capital city, so a single point of failure would not cause an outage. With a hundred regional nodes this robustness is lost, so a Tamworth, Geelong or Townsville failure will knock down 80,000 customers. The ACCC should butt out of the technical debate and concentrate on genuine issues of competition, not forgetting that one of its "C"s stands for Consumer.

Ratbag engineers, indeed! The biggest problem is the ratbag Member for Wentworth.
Ace
Mar 22, 2011 4:04 PM
Ah @umbria & @Merari, you obviously haven't seen enough movies. The kill switch is a big metal handle locked in a cage and defended by an army of networked androids in an abandonded warehouse. Times 21. You'd have to enter the Matrix to even have a chance of turning them off.
umbria
Mar 22, 2011 4:23 PM
Love it, Ace! So do you want the blue or the red pill?
scooter
Mar 22, 2011 5:41 PM
I'm for living on the edge and taking both!!!!
wsDK_II
Mar 23, 2011 7:48 AM
As a number of people have pointed out, there are only 6 hard links to other countries that Australia has. Now Telstra either owns or operates 4 of 6, and i can tell you right now that if the order ever came from Stephen Conroy to turn them off, we engineers would take a big picture of everyone giving the birdie, and email it back to him.

We got your back :)
block
Mar 23, 2011 1:37 PM
What if it was a guy with a gun pointed at you? Would you have our backs then?

I would prefer you cut the God damn link in that case, I don't need Google that badly.
NarelleClark
Mar 23, 2011 2:38 PM
Monday night's presentation was a broad ranging review of recent politically motivated disruptions to Internet services across the world and explained the mechanisms by which these occurred. It was not intended as a comprehensive review of Australian telecommunications infrastructure, indeed that part was short, and framed to promote discussion amongst attendees, who were from a wide range of backgrounds and expertise.

The observations in that part of the presentation were: that we have a limited number of fibre cables leaving Australia with some satellite systems; there is a limited amount of longhaul fibre across Australia and that this amount is being increased under the NBN plan; that under the current NBN model there would be a significant reduction in the number of network operators at the customer access level, and that that single fixed line operator would have the ability to turn off equipment at all of its points of presence; there are a number of legal mechanisms in existence already to cause the removal of Australian Internet based material, but not to shut down networks; and that the culture of network engineers in this country is not one that would appear to be readily inclined to turn off the Internet as has happened recently overseas.

Any network operator could well automate the remote shutdown of all, or parts, of its customer access network. When and whether a national operator should do such a thing was not part of the presentation, which was rather a means of informing such a discussion, by highlighting that this is indeed possible. Other technical mechanisms to improve the stability and security of critical Internet Protocols were also referred to.

The Internet Society of Australia is committed to the promotion of informed debate, and the development of the Internet in Australia and - with other chapters and its parent organisation - across the world. The Internet is for Everyone!
developerchris
Mar 24, 2011 10:03 AM
Conroy + NBN + Filter = Internet_Shutdown


package Filter;

sub DoFilterURL($url,$noaccessurl){
if (!isfiltered($url) && !IsShutdown()){
return $url;
} else {
return $noaccessurl;
}
}

sub IsFiltered ($url) {
return /$url/ =~ $SuperSecretGovBannList || /$url/ =~ $SuperSuperSecretGovEnemyList ;
}

sub IsShutDown(){
return $political_unrest == true;
}

;
Maxxi2
Mar 24, 2011 1:21 PM
developerchris + conspiracy_theories_galore + no_oz_democracy = Seen_Too_Many_Movies

>;))
anonymous
Mar 24, 2011 2:23 PM

Now, now, Maxxi, they probably said the same thing in France before 1789, and Russia before 1917, etc.

(or at least they well might have, if movies had been around in those days. . .)
;-)
developerchris
Mar 24, 2011 3:28 PM
My point is that when you concentrate power you increase the likelihood of such an event. The little (PERL) code snippet was to show how easy such a thing could be implemented which would remove the need for any engineers to even get involved in a post filter scenario.
But I am happy for you as you seem to live in a universe where there is no such thing as abuse of power, media manipulation or political corruption. The $SuperSuperSecretGovEnemyList variable was a last minute TIC throw in, so you caught me there ;)
Maxxi2
Mar 24, 2011 11:11 PM
Your post was very clever dc, I liked it...

And I agree that the technical means to shut down our internet from a central location are available, however I do seriously doubt that these can be easily implemented in Australia today, with the layers of legislation, oversight, industry independance and governance controls we have.

I will protest that although I am in my own universe every now and then, I am actually aware of abuse of power, I see various levels of media manipulation and know of enough examples of politial corruption from many countries including Australia.

That all said dc, there is no evidence that Australia is actually anywhere near far enough down the track today that a govt could actually put this in place without massive public, industry and political outcry, storms of protest and court battles...

Hey anonymous, I would agree with you, except that again I am not convinced that Australia today has any circumstances anything like they were back then in France and Russia. Our current political and social fabric is still very solid, though stormy, but 1000% more solid and resilient than the circumstances that existed back in 1789 and 1917 in those countries.

Rule of law was corrupted, democracy was non-existent, violent revolution was in progress. Except for pockets of Sydney and some Abbott attended rallies, that is not quite prevalent in Australia today.

BUT, all that said, I absolutely agree that we must remain constantly vigilant that the barriers to real despotism and social disintegration are not dismantled, and that we maintain the multiple layers of existing and effective democracy and rule of law in this country...

And yes I genuinely thought the coding post was quite clever.... >;))
umbria
Mar 25, 2011 10:18 AM
+1, Maxxi. As poet and philosopher Slim Dusty once said, "Australia's a great country, mate. Let's keep 'er free."

# Standard solution to most NBN opposition
foreach (@FUD){
correct_with_facts();
};
exit 0;

sub correct_with_facts {
read NBN_Implementation_Study;
read NBN_Corporate_Plan;
read NBN_Senate_Committee_Recommendations;
read NBNCo_Media_Releases_and_Presentations;
read NBN_User_Testimonies;
return 0;
}
anonymous
Mar 25, 2011 12:47 PM

LOL @Maxxi, but just so I don't misunderestimate you again, you are saying that people peacefully holding up placards at a rally in Canberra equates to democracy being non-existent and violent revolution in progress.

Maybe you do have your own personal universe.
;-)
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