Conroy: No Townsville NBN delays from Yasi

 

NBN testbed work "largely completed".

Communications minister Senator Stephen Conroy has rejected suggestions that Cyclone Yasi will have a major impact on the NBN testbed project in Townsville, saying that the nature of the project meant it would not suffer major delays.

Townsville is one of five mainland centres which is serving as an early testbed site for the National Broadband Network.

Speaking at the launch of HP's Eastern Creek data centre today, Conroy said that assessment of the build would begin once it was safe for inspectors to venture into the streets of Townsville, which was among the major centres impacted when Yasi made landfall last night.

"The project in Townsville is largely completed," Conroysaid. "[Once] we finalise the deal with Telstra, the build is substantially underground at that point."

But Conroy did acknowledge the impact that rebuilding requirements in Queensland might have on the NBN trial and expansion.

"The floods will certainly put pressure on every construction project and every development project there," he said. "But all other essential services battle with these one-in-thirty-year events. "

The shift to fibre would also be beneficial in dealing with future disaster scenarios, he suggested. "Fibre is a more robust technology when it comes to dealing with floods."

Conroy praised the HP data centre project, saying that it would tie in with the ALP's NBN vision.

"Increased data capacity combined with the rollout of high speed broadband via the NBN will ensure that Australia will become one of the world's leading digital economies," he said.

While HP officials welcomed the NBN as a modernisation initiative, they also said the data centre would be built regardless of the network rollout.

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Conroy: No Townsville NBN delays from Yasi
HP's David Caspari and Paul Brandling join Senator Conroy for a photo opportunity.
"With all this talk of Townsville, one wonders exactly what percentage of NBN cabling would be aerial there, and what the cost difference is."
By Ace
 
 
 
Comments: 11
nakerjack
Feb 3, 2011 12:26 PM
i wonder how long it will take Mr Abbot to bring up scrapping the NBN to pay for the damage... PS...our thoughts are with you QLD
Rossko
Feb 3, 2011 12:49 PM
In referring to the so-called 'testbed' NBN roll-out in Townsville, Minister Conroy has just said "the build is substantially underground at that point" Given that 1) the recently released NBN corporate plan clearly specifies that 25% of the optical fibre access network will be aerial, 2) 'substantially underground' means that at least some of the fibre just rolled out is aerial, and 3) Townsville is obviously subject to infrastructure-damaging cyclonic weather that easily brings down power poles, will Minister Conroy now clarify whether ANY MORE aerial construction will be countenanced in any tropical part of Australia? If he doesn't then the outcome is obvious: public money is to be spent on life-line telecommunications infrastructure that is waiting for the next cyclone to destroy it!
Maxxi2
Feb 3, 2011 2:30 PM
@Rossko: You sound eerily like a press release from Phony Tony mate...

Could you enlighten us with:

1) Just how often the power poles in Townville are so easily brought down?

2) How the local, regional and state services that use them coped with and responded to the the power poles going down?

3) How successful you have been at getting those services providers (like telephone and power mate...) to respond to this line of warning?

4) Was it public or private money that built, maintained and/or replaced the power poles in the last 10 times they were brought down by cyclones? (err how aften have they been going down, like annually??)

5) What are your proposals to get all arial cabling in cyclone prone areas underground...?

6) Or are you just another anti-NBN / anti-Conroy poster taking a sanctemonious and cheap shot or two, at the cost of the folks who are suffering under the brunt of recent cyclone??

7) Have you questions been tabled in Question Time yet?

Cheers mate...

Edited by Maxxi2: 3/2/2011 02:33:08 PM
HubertCumberdale
Feb 3, 2011 3:14 PM
nakerjack wrote:
i wonder how long it will take Mr Abbot to bring up scrapping the NBN to pay for the damage


Honestly I dont think he will, no one would be so stupid enough to make that same mistake twice.
anonymous
Feb 3, 2011 3:41 PM

@Maxxi2, your implied arithmetic sounds pretty right. It would probably add between $1 and $2 billion extra to bury all the cable.

It would certainly be nice to have it all in ducts, but the huge cost and relative infrequency of major damage mean that the present mix is probably about right.

@Hubert, surely no one could be so politically blind that they would want to can a major long-term infrastructure project because of a regional flood damage bill for a much smaller amount? I am, of course, deeply shocked at such a possibility.
;-(
NASA
Feb 3, 2011 5:19 PM
In response to the arithmetic on underground options in deploying fibre, you may be correct if you're talking traditional pit and pipe. But I suspect the cost would be significantly more than an additional $1 to $2 billion.

However, what you haven't considered is that there are amazing and innovative slot-cut and micro-ducting fibre deployment options available right now (and have been fully costed and presented to NBN Co) that make slot-cut with micro-ducting deployments (yes, all underground) at prices comparable to aerial deployment. I understand the costs come under $2000 per home connected.

Take a look at what Google are deploying right now in the USA, they've started their $5 Billion fiber for communities project, commencing with their FTTP trial (like NBN test sites) with their roll out of FTTP in Stanford. Google have done it again! Awesome. And its cheap - at half the price of the current NBN chosen architecture and product sets, its faster to deploy and its all under ground.

The question should be asked, why aren't NBN and the government at least trialling or testing this type of solution during 'test bed' stages, given the dollars it could save the government and the NBN over the life of the project? If that could be realised, there would be no more arguing, no need for a flood levy, cutting other government programs, or the additional cost of rebuilding NBN aerial networks that are damaged by natural disasters (like the potential of the Townsville first releases site)

PS:
And as a little disappointing side point... I understand that during community consultation and in public forums last year, NBN were asked and informed of the impending risks to an aerial broadband deployment in cyclone prone Townsville. Unfortunately, it seems that these went largely unheard. NBN had decided what they were going to implement regardless of the 'consultation' and 'feedback'. Disappointing and now an expensive lesson for NBN and the government to learn.
Ice
Feb 4, 2011 2:40 PM
@NASA maybe they are not looking at using the technoligy you are talking about is because the building code of Australia says all underground cabling must be ducted there are a few exceptions but they normally have been done by shonky contractors.
Rossko
Feb 5, 2011 5:40 PM
@Maxxi2: From the tone of your reply I am unsure if you are really serious in understanding why aerial infrastructure is TOTALLY inappropriate for ANY part of the NBN, however just in case you do wish to gain a better understanding may I suggest you go to http://www.rosskelso.com and send an e-mail request for a copy of a paper I wrote last year that was published in the Telecommunications Journal of Australia (if you happen to be a member of the TSA_ACS then you can get a copy free online). It was titled "TESTING THE NBN VISION - Can aerial construction truly deliver ‘a historic nation-building investment focussed on Australia’s long-term national interest’?" Upon receipt of your e-mailed request I will send you a copy and then, if desired, we can discuss the matter further.
Regards
Dr Ross Kelso
PS: Any other interested person can also request a copy the same way, however there is a chance the paper may be available at http://tja.org.au/tja/index.php/tja/issue/view/4/showToc without having to pay a subscription, but I'm not 100% sure.
Ace
Feb 6, 2011 2:16 AM
I think Maxxi might be right @Rossko. The tone of your story begins quite anti-Rudd/Labor, making one wonder why a Dr at a Uni would start out such a study with a biased view. Shouldn't you be neutral and just report facts? It seems self-indulgent and contradictory. I wouldn't have published it.
NASA
Feb 6, 2011 4:06 PM
@ICE, thanks for your comments. However the solution is ducted, not direct bury. The HDPE micro-ducting meets ISO standards. Given all the benefits it is quite incredible that the NBN aren't trialing it for any of their 'test bed' release sites. Perhaps they will see sense and leap at the opportunity to trial it for one of the second round release sites.
Ace
Feb 6, 2011 6:41 PM
With all this talk of Townsville, one wonders exactly what percentage of NBN cabling would be aerial there, and what the cost difference is.
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