Abbott eyes NBN cable contracts for flood relief

 

Money ripe for diversion?

Opposition leader Tony Abbott has stepped up his campaign to divert NBN funds for flood relief by citing NBN Co's $500 million outlay on fibre as money that could have been used for relief efforts.

Abbott caused a storm last week when he suggested that the money needed for Queensland's flood recovery could be found by "reprioritising" spending on projects such as on the National Broadband Network.

The suggestion has been quashed by the Government and by commentators who said that much of NBN's funding is allocated from future budgets, limiting the amount of money that could be immediately re-used.

Abbott disagreed with that assertion on Radio 6PR yesterday.

"Well, there was $1.6 billion of NBN spending that was announced just a couple of days ago. So I don't think it's right that NBN spending is all in the future," Abbott said.

That billion dollar figure was related to contracts for the supply of fibre cables awarded by NBN Co last week.

The actual amount to be immediately spent on cables was $500 million, with the remaining money to be potentially spent over a five-year period.

Abbott conceded that "much" of the NBN spending was "off budget".

"But all of the tens and tens of billions of dollars of borrowing will be government guaranteed and there's something like $8 billion that will have to eventually come out of the budget for the NBN," he said.

"I'm all in favour of broadband but we've actually got a reasonably good broadband system that's being delivered by competitive markets.

"What we don't need is a nationalised monopoly and the point I keep making, even if it might be desirable at some point in the future to do better you don't renovate the bathroom when your house has just had the roof blown off and this [the flood] is the equivalent if you like of having the roof blown off the house."

Copyright © iTnews.com.au . All rights reserved.


Abbott eyes NBN cable contracts for flood relief
"Bazwalt wrote: I dont quite think that upstream speeds are the defining factor in what makes reasonably good broadband system. Yes we covered this a few posts up, pay attention McFly. ..."
By HubertCumberdale
 
 
 
Comments: 14
singo79
Jan 25, 2011 9:07 AM
"I'm all in favour of broadband but we've actually got a reasonably good broadband system that's being delivered by competitive markets." What planet or reality is Fony Tony living on?

Our broadband is considered substandard to the rest of the world, we have slipped in our broadband rating and we are also the most expensive for broadband in the world.

What grounds does Fony Tony have to make these statements, he has no experience in the industry and one could hazard a guess that he probably couldn't even tell us what a ULL or POTS were.

This is seriously getting beyond a joke. This clown has nothing, he has no policies, he has no direction, he simply fights anything and everything.

Sure the QLD floods is a tragedy and we all feel for our fellow countrymen and women, however scraping a national infrastructure project that benefits all Australians to spend it on a small portion of Australia is unwise and lacking in forward thinking. Fony Tony is a serious threat to our future in terms of IC&T and threatens to take us back to the dark ages.

In today's terms there is no way 4Mbps is sufficient, especially considering the way things are going. I believe that Malcolm TurnBULL and Fony Tony are out of touch in this area and pose a serious threat to our future. Thankfully the Coalition aren't in power and thankfully the Labor Government are still going ahead with the NBN rollout.
Mabelode
Jan 25, 2011 9:51 AM
Something is actually being produced for that 1.6 bill. Not all of it will end up as some executives bonus. Is he suggesting that we trade off all of the jobs etc created by the cable contracts for the jobs in flood reconstruction?
umbria
Jan 25, 2011 10:22 AM
Disaster recovery is a recurrent expense in Australia. You don't cancel a ten-year infrastructure project to deal with every disaster.

There will be probably more dramatic floods in the first half of 2011, as the PDO (Google it) is sustaining an extended La Nina condition at present. These are similar to the floods I recall from the early 1970s.

And Singo's right to ridicule Tony Abbott's silly statement that fifteen years of free market competition has delivered broadband quite well. 50% of ADSL connections never deliver more than 2 Mbps (cf ABS 20 September 2010), and 40% of Australians have no broadband at all. That's 70% of us, or 15 million people who cannot even get 2 Mbps broadband in 2011.

The NBN will connect every Australian to broadband with a guarantee of 12 Mbps uncongested bandwidth at their premises, and even satellite users will be able to get 4 Mbps upload speeds. Regional Australia is extremely urbanised, so laying fibre to large towns (reducing the number of towers needed to deliver 97% wireless coverage as well) reaches 93% with fibre, allowing optional purchase of higher bandwidth up to 1000/400, though most will settle for 12/1 or 25/2 initially.

Every retail service provider will be able to compete for every Australian premises, without any concern for their geographical location or the technology used for the last mile.

The NBN is the greenest, cheapest and fairest way to close the digital divide and give all Australians the chance to maximise their engagement in society.

Cairns and Townsville councils are lobbying hard for early inclusion in this life-changing project for regional Australia. We can walk and chew gum, and we can both rebuild and continue with the NBN.
HubertCumberdale
Jan 25, 2011 11:46 AM
Quote:
we've actually got a reasonably good broadband system that's being delivered by competitive markets.

LOL really and yet I still only get less than 1mbps upload in 2011. What a clueless nitwit.
advocate
Jan 25, 2011 12:59 PM
umbria wrote:
Disaster recovery is a recurrent expense in Australia. You don't cancel a ten-year infrastructure project to deal with every disaster.

This isn't 'every' disaster, have you read the flood recovery estimates figures by any chance, and they are climbing every week and add to that the Victoria figures where it is all still happening

And Singo's right to ridicule Tony Abbott's silly statement that fifteen years of free market competition has delivered broadband quite well. 50% of ADSL connections never deliver more than 2 Mbps (cf ABS 20 September 2010), and 40% of Australians have no broadband at all. That's 70% of us, or 15 million people who cannot even get 2 Mbps broadband in 2011.

That's assuming all of that figure actually want it, it's like the NBN and HFC rollouts in the areas that already have it, not everyone wants it! - oops don't go there.


The NBN is the greenest, cheapest and fairest way to close the digital divide and give all Australians the chance to maximise their engagement in society.

You should write novels, that peace of rubbish is priceless - 'engagement in society' - lol.

Cairns and Townsville councils are lobbying hard for early inclusion in this life-changing project for regional Australia. We can walk and chew gum, and we can both rebuild and continue with the NBN.

Life changing eh? ask the minority in the Tasmanian active NBN areas how 'life changing' it has been, and while you are it ask how their 'engagement in society' has been maximized, compared to the neighbour who is on crappy ADSL, who has to suffer the intolerable burden of a non-life changing connection.



advocate
Jan 25, 2011 1:04 PM
HubertCumberdale wrote:

LOL really and yet I still only get less than 1mbps upload in 2011. What a clueless nitwit.

That is of course assuming the sole benchmark to determine if we have a competitive BB system in Australia or not is the HC universal measure of 'upload speed'.

It isn't of course.

HubertCumberdale
Jan 25, 2011 2:14 PM
advocate wrote:

It isn't of course.


yeah thanks for stating the obvious durrrrrh, the problem with Luddites like Abbott and the rest of his zoo crew is that they think it's all about the download, when they say "reasonably good broadband" they really mean "Well I can download stuff, it must be broadband yay! gigglebytes!" seriously pull your head out man.

(Also once again do you think you can learn to quote stuff properly?)
Ace
Jan 25, 2011 2:36 PM
C'mon @advocate, even you can't expect NBN Co to be concerned with bypassing Liberal voters houses just because they say they don't want it. Unless of course, they're all lumped together in one suburb.

Now your hard core lib voter may not believe in 'society' because it's a pure cost centre, but that doesn't appear to be the case for everyone...judging by the success of the telephone, TV, facebook etc etc. In fact, I'd wager that there are more people interested in 'engagement in society' than are not. I'm not trying to say you're pushing a minority view, but you might be :)

BTW, I see no problem with @advocate's quoting methodology. Looks OK to me!
HubertCumberdale
Jan 25, 2011 4:44 PM
Ace wrote:
BTW, I see no problem with @advocate's quoting methodology. Looks OK to me!


Of course you dont, you are probably reading this on the news page with the rest of the riff-raff. Meanwhile for the rest of us civilised users on the forum this is what it looks like:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4955/76363546.png

Ace
Jan 25, 2011 5:32 PM
Ah, I see. I'm far too lazy to click all the extra links to get into the forum bit. I like it out here with the riff-raff.
Pilotyoda
Jan 25, 2011 7:36 PM
Typical Abbott BS to confuse everyone.
Most Australians do not get real broadband speeds and the Libs' preferred model is a foreign owned private NBN. One that is inadequate and fragmented.

I agree with @Singo & @Umbria. The "Average Aussie" gets lousy speeds and many do not get the option of broadband at all. Wireless is limited in capacity and speed and I bet Tony wouldn't want one of the vast number of required new towers outside his house! Even HFC co-ax cable doesn't connect to every property it goes past.

I can't even watch the ABC I-View via the net (even some higher res YouTube vids stall), let alone take advantage of X-box pay TV. What i would really love is the ability to have symmetrical high speed (>50Mb) so we can do what many would like: host a site at home. I could put together a Linux box and would not have to worry about the Govt censorship, paying a company bucks continually for a few gig of space on a server farm, etc. - Hang on: no wonder they don't want high-speed NBN!

As for a this line "What we don't need is a nationalised monopoly"; well any NBN will be a monopoly and the argument is ideological. If it is not owned by the Government, who then? If it is built and is then valued properly at full cost, plus a customer base thrown in (end users & sellers) then it could be easily worth, after commissioning, in the order of $70-100B. That puts it out of the price of any Australian buyer and thus key national infrastructure will become largely foreign owned.

Does any of us want this? The track record of the privatisation process all over this country has been to significantly drive up consumer prices, reduce reliability, reduction of the Government revenue base while leaving taxpayers to still cover the costs of many parts of the network.

Tony Abbott: we can see through you. Get real and stop trying to stifle development of national infrastructure just so a few business mates can make more quick bucks at my expense.
ITnovice
Jan 25, 2011 9:17 PM
Imagine the savings we could make by not paying Tony and his cronies to spout hot air, lies and BS and give that money to the flood victims. Using some of Tony's logic, maybe 'the market' can look after the flood victims while the government sorts out broadband ;)

All i see Tony Abbott doing is complaining about the NBN cost (while ignoring the benefits)and scaremongering about new taxes. How about shutting that mouth and getting behind a shovel to do something useful!
Bazwalt
Jan 28, 2011 9:44 AM
umbria wrote:
And Singo's right to ridicule Tony Abbott's silly statement that fifteen years of free market competition has delivered broadband quite well. 50% of ADSL connections never deliver more than 2 Mbps (cf ABS 20 September 2010), and 40% of Australians have no broadband at all. That's 70% of us, or 15 million people who cannot even get 2 Mbps broadband in 2011.


Just out of curiosity, where did those statistics come from? I only ask because, though I agree to some degree, the numbers seem a bit stretched.

HubertCumberdale wrote:
LOL really and yet I still only get less than 1mbps upload in 2011. What a clueless nitwit.

I dont quite think that upstream speeds are the defining factor in what makes reasonably good broadband system. In my own opinion and experience, 1Mbit is perfectly fine for residential users. Hell even 384 works fine.

Dont get me wrong though, I wholeheartedly support the NBN and the speeds it can off - I just don't like seeing statements that define speed and quota as the be-all-end-all of what the NBN has to offer.
HubertCumberdale
Jan 28, 2011 12:24 PM
Bazwalt wrote:
I dont quite think that upstream speeds are the defining factor in what makes reasonably good broadband system.

Yes we covered this a few posts up, pay attention McFly.


Bazwalt wrote:
In my own opinion and experience, 1Mbit is perfectly fine for residential users.

That's not an opinion or experience, is at the very best an ill informed assumption. 1Mbit is NOT perfectly fine for residential users.


Bazwalt wrote:
Hell even 384 works fine.

For who? You again? yeah "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME, I'm happy with so everyone else should be happy with ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!" (Also putting "hell" before a statement doesn't make it more credible)

40mbps FTW


Comments have been disabled for this article.
 
 
 
Top Stories
Australia turns to homegrown drones
Debating the finer points of unmanned aerial vehicle design.
 
The New Zealand telco problem
Opinion: Could Telstra save Kiwi telcos?
 
IT price probe to 'name and shame' gougers
Industry ducking the issue, committee claims.
 
Sign up to receive iTnews email bulletins
   FOLLOW US...

Latest VideosSee all videos »

Latest Comments
Polls
Should the Government enact new legislation to protect copyright holders in the digital age?

   |   View results
Yes
  20%
 
No
  80%
TOTAL VOTES: 522

Vote