NAB urges "alternatives" to single IT system

 

Complexity, cost and competition all factors.

National Australia Bank chief Cameron Clyne has urged consideration of simpler technology options he said could produce “similar outcomes” to a banking IT systems consolidation being explored by the Federal Government.

The Treasury Department revealed earlier today the Federal Government’s long-term ambition for banks to move to a common IT system that would make it easier for customers to switch accounts between financial institutions.

Former Reserve Bank Governor Bernie Fraser had been drafted to conduct a feasibility study, to be handed up to the Government by the end of June next year.

Clyne speculated in front of a Senate Committee that there could be other options available than attempting to create a common back office IT platform between all financial institutions.

“Maybe there are technology options that could deliver similar outcomes – for example, a user interface that allows customers to repoint a direct debit from one banking institution to another,” he said.

“What we’re saying is, are there things that could be explored that may not be complex as account portability?

“I wouldn’t underestimate the complexity of the infrastructure environment that a lot of banks are dealing with. They were built up over a long period of time.”

He said that should an account number portability system be approved, NAB would “have to look at how we factor in” the costs of implementing it within its existing IT architecture.

He said the bank was already spending “over a billion dollars” to replace its core banking system.

Apart from the cost and complexity of IT systems, another reason NAB appeared to push alternative options was its assertion that customers were already willing to shift “from one banking institution to another” to take advantage of good deals.

Clyne’s comments contradicted the Government’s basis for introducing account number portability. He suggested that customers would put up with any hassle switching institutions if the deal was good enough.

Clyne said that abolishing account keeping fees had seen a six-fold rise in the number of customers moving from other banks to NAB.

“People will engage you if you have a competitive offering out there,” Clyne said.

Clyne also had the distinction of having his appearance before the committee interrupted by an unwanted protester who shouted his displeasure at variable interest rates before being ejected.

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NAB urges "alternatives" to single IT system
"@TheAdvisor Landline numbers CAN be ported, at least here in WA they can be. My grandmother was with Telstra with her landline number, then switched to aapt and optus and then finally back to ..."
By ray73864
 
 
 
Comments: 8
frogg11
Dec 13, 2010 10:14 PM
I have to agree with NAB about the commin IT platform.
It is putting all your eggs in one basket.

One gigantic single system would be a nightmare to build and maintain. In addition, if this giant system was compromised by error (as in NAB's recent crash) or criminal hackers, the whole country could grind to a halt.

The Federal Government only has to look at the failure of the Qld Govt to centralise its SAP based financial system and processing which in turn led to the Qld Health Dept payroll fiasco to realise the folly of their proposal.

The IT industry has moved away from massive make-or-break projects towards programs of related projects which represent manageable chunks of work which can be completed reasonably quickly and with lower overall risk.
These smaller prjects, if managed properly, can also be more flexible in adapting to new technology as it emerges.
Gall of it
Dec 14, 2010 9:45 AM
Mr Clyne seem to be the only one with any proof that his ideas work (people are migrating to nabs low fee structure). The top ten banks are probably together spending $10 Billion dollars on making better products, add another few billion of cost what will that do to bank fees ??? These banks (and the RBA )saved Australia from the foreclosures that the US saw in the GFC and he want to weaken them. Did Mr Swan have honor any of the supposed "Government gaurentee of banks "? , he knew he would not have to ! Introduce overseas banks that offer alternative options like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac these banks took the US governments for $trillions that bankrupt Australia. Next Mr Swan wants our banks on an Amazon Cloud in Singapore so we can switch account easily. Remember no loyality no service so close those branches Mr Swan! Mr Swan is bitting the hand that feeds him for political reasons, few people believes a politician saved this country from the GFC it was our treasury , reserve bank , and APRA or the advice from the above. Australians do not believe a person temporarily appointed to a portfoldio makes good decisions it is just step on a ladder.
grantusmaximus
Dec 14, 2010 11:40 AM
A common IT platform need not mean a replacement of individual banking systems. Think of a solution similar to that of DNS. Every bank could have a DNS style server caching these portable account numbers along with the bank and account in which they are directed to.

Changes to the portable account numbers for those moving between banks could propagate out to the individual banks.

I believe it is a bit naive to think this solution is only for the average Joe using direct debits. Although Banks are profiteering off dishonorment fees. Business could benefit switching banks easily when all their clients pay directly to their existing account numbers. BPay isn't a suitable solution for these small-medium businesses.
jabein
Dec 14, 2010 1:11 PM
Mobile phone carriers cried that telephone number portability was not feasible, but the government mandated the fact and now we all take for granted the fantastic freedom that we can change phone carriers without losing our number (possibly livelyhood if it is a business number).

So to prove that suppliers (carriers and now banks) cry sheep and broken, any reason not to losen those gigantic chains on people's throats. But, if they have to, they will make it happen.

Recently, major supermarkets were asked to display unit price (eg per 100gm) next to each item. First they resisted and said it would make items more expensive (can't see how that is possible), but when it became law, now I see this on most major supermarket shelves.

Honestly, I think all the major banks have this in the back of their minds for some time, but resist as long as they can to create a new reason to milk some more from their customers.
TheAdvisor
Dec 14, 2010 3:29 PM
Great analogy grantusmaximus.

Banks like DNS could then be poisened ? or

no lets not go there that allready happens daily.

Lol as for the costs jabein it's the age old excuse like USA going metric.

It would cost to much to change everything from imperial.

In this case i presume it's printing dyes etc but as labeling changes do occur fairly regularly in any case
so it would be next run do this.

So i to remain skeptical about the "added cost" excuse.

Thats any business's excuse to jack things up.

Fisrt sign of change out of the ordinary OOooo thats gonna cost ya :P

Another way to look at this is or a comparison moreso.

Landline numbers can't be ported yet mobiles can.

This would probably be what the banks are facing.

The changes in IT inorder to do this may well be changed
because a lot of hard coded software would need to be turfed and replaced.

Maybe some hardware to not having knowledge of they're systems but the rule of thumb being.

Anything the publics concieved as should be easy to do.

Turns out to be near impossible and to costly to do.

We refer to this in the field as accountants law.
TheAdvisor
Dec 14, 2010 4:04 PM
Actually stuffed that last post partially but thinking about it more this is typical of the govt.

Race in shoot mouth of and not check the facts.

First of all it would be a major security flaw.

Sorry if allready mentioned.

Second being bank IT systems whilst they can interact
but internally they're systems could be vastly different.

Third and main one that gets me aherm BSB this being
the bain of its existance like area codes to landlines.

You would have account clashes or would have to
use a different account numbering system for migrated
accounts to avoid clashes.

Much like thd dns and ip example made earlier.

Have two accounts with the same number oh dear ip conflict :P

eg current layout **** bsb **********? acc numbers

Theres the major problem of bundling all into one.

Apart from that banks are best left isolated
you don't want db issues propogating system wide.
TheAdvisor
Dec 14, 2010 4:11 PM
Ooo late addition sorry for the typos IBAN
theres your main problem you would be tampering
with international banking also and hance why
i can't see this working.

Leave banking to the banks only they know
they're own systems it's bad enough the govt playing
god with comms.
ray73864
Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM
@TheAdvisor

Landline numbers CAN be ported, at least here in WA they can be.

My grandmother was with Telstra with her landline number, then switched to aapt and optus and then finally back to Telstra, all without losing her existing landline number.
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