NBN Co willing to move on points of interconnect

 
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Small service providers need to "step up" to have their voices heard, says NBN Co design engineer Peter Ferris.

The "inventor" of NBN Co’s controversial point of interconnect plan said the architect of Australia’s next-generation fibre-to-the-home network may change its tune on where and how many access points it offeredfollowing consultation with industry.

Speaking to the IQPC Smart Grid Forum in Sydney today, NBN Co general manager of design and planning Peter Ferris, pictured, said networking operators grousing about the unfairness of the 14 points of interconnect (or PoIs in industry parlance) were doing so because they have "made an awful lot of money over a long period of time" and didn't want to shake up the status quo.

The PoI plan was met favourably at the Australian network operators' conference in September but has since been the subject of criticism from the Opposition and mainstream media. 

But Ferris said the new regime would make it easier and more profitable for ISPs to enter the market to provide innovative services.

A PoI is the point at which wholesale service providers and retail service providers or ISPs connect to the NBN and exchange traffic. They were intended to be built in five capital cities and could be expanded as needed. They serve a similar role albeit on a grander scale to a Telstra telephone exchange on the copper access network. NBN Co would use the PoIs to charge the same rate for all traffic no matter where it originated or wound up.

Ferris said he took as a “compliment” the faint praise the PoI proposal received from some quarters.

“Some feedback we got says the solution proposed was an elegant engineering solution, I take that as a compliment because I invented it,” Ferris told energy industry heavyweights gathered to hear how the fibre-network operator could ease their load in rolling out new energy infrastructure that some predict will hit a bill of $130 billion over the next decade

“But the framework put out there was put out for consultation to look at what the industry feedback was - to get that balanced view."

But that view was being dominated by backhaul operators to the exclusion of ISPs, he said, who were getting in the way of NBN Co's mission of  "fundamentally restructuring the industry".

"Telstra, Optus, Nextgen, the guys with transmission networks in capital areas, they have all said they don’t like it because for them it changes their business model and takes away the opportunity for them to make more money," he said.

"Unfortunately, we haven’t had the 600 [ISPs] all speak up and say - this gives us the ability to deliver ubiquitous services across the country. They haven’t stepped up.

"So in terms of the feedback that’s come through the ACCC and registered on the website, there has only been three of the small ISPs [including] iiNet and Primus, who have actually put in a comment."

Ferris said that if the backhaul networks were working as well as NBN Co critics claimed, "you wouldn’t have an issue where the Government would have to invest in a regional blackspot network and pay Nextgen to put in capability".

"They’d put it in to make money, they’d put it in."

But they won't "because you can't make money" on such infrastructure unless the taxpayer is willing to stump up the bill, he said.

"Australia’s a huge country, to join [it] together with fibre infrastructure is a very expensive business."

Ferris said that NBN Co would "execute" Government directives but "did not make policy", which meant it would "absolutely" change its interconnect proposal if the tide of submissions and public opinion was against its technical solution and it received that direction from the Government.

What NBN Co builds depends "on what policy is set by DBCDE [department of broadband] and our shareholders.

"NBN Co does not make policy, we execute policy," he said. "From an NBN Co perspective, we welcome the industry consultation. We will put a joint paper up to the ACCC, to the Minister to get policy. When we have that policy, we’ll execute that policy."

But telecoms analyst Paul Budde has defended the backhaul operators who he said have a right to be fearful that their infrastructure investment will be "stranded".

"It doesn’t make strategic sense to now force that issue with a plan that most players don’t agree with," Budde wrote today in the online journal Business Spectator.

Budde, who was also a keen proponent of smart grids, was "disappointed" that industry forums weren't used to further the conversation but believed the interconnect issue would be resolved to enable the NBN to proceed.

And NBN Co was looking for 30-year leases on "dark-fibre" [excess optical lines in the ground] especially in capital cities, Ferris said, and anyone who "wants to make a little bit of money" should come to talk to the network architect. 

These "indefeasible rights of use" were the only way a wholesale provider such as NBN Co could economically shore up coverage in central business districts; it was not interested in paying for data, he said.

He said "no one has the volume of fibre" NBN Co needs, "not even in the CBD".

"They still don't feed every unit, location or apartment in the CBD."

But he said NBN Co was "very, very willing" to "rent anybody’s network that has fibre in the right place".

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NBN Co willing to move on points of interconnect
Meet the man who "invented" the NBN's PoI system, Peter Ferris, NBN Co design manager, speaks at Smart Grids Forum in Sydney. photo: Nate Cochrane
"Heard these guys being described as Telecom 2, not Telstra 2 the other day - very apt. Has anyone ever tried to contact them to discuss anything. They are unapproachable, and do not respond. ..."
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Comments: 7
EMwyres
Nov 16, 2010 3:08 PM
Having listened to and spoken to Peter Ferris at industry technical briefings, every justification he gave for network design decisions made complete and utter sense, yet he always stressed that if someone presents a logical/reasonable point of view to vary it, they were more than happy to listen.

So go to it, ISPs!
deteego
Nov 16, 2010 4:51 PM
I think he has conveniently ignored the fact that the ISP's that represent the majority of market share have already commented (Optus, Telstra, iiNet etc etc) just as the majority of companies representing backhaul have commented

Not sure why crappy small ISP with a userbase of 100 should have as much of a say as one that serves 10%+ of Australia
WTW
Nov 16, 2010 5:39 PM
We really know so little about dealing with NBNCo at present that it's no wonder that the small guys aren't bothering to say anything at this stage.
EMwyres
Nov 16, 2010 6:20 PM
The "crappy small ISP with a userbase of 100" have just as much right to exist as the big boys.
djzort
Nov 16, 2010 9:59 PM
> "made an awful lot of money over a long period of time" and didn't want to shake up the status quo.

yes they want to continue to be able to make money, rather than being put out of business by a tax payer funded monopoly.
Chd
Nov 16, 2010 10:58 PM
It’s hard for small ISP's to speak up because we don't have the resources to make ACCC submissions and the like.

I run a small ISP, and I wanted to make a submission against the proposed POI model but I realized the big guys would make the point for me.

I'm sure the small ISP's would prefer a 1 POI model! I know I would like to simply connect at 2 POI's so I have diverse connection able to service the whole country - but that connection does not necessary have to be provided by NBN. Whist I’m not against NBN offering such a service, more POI‘s would allow other large carriers too offer a competing option.

My feeling is that the backhaul providers and existing “aggregators” will act as a "gateway" to NBN and offer me the type of simple connection that will aggregate the POI’s into a small number of connection points.

I have a regionally based business and would like to connect in my region and offer hosted services, to the region, from within the region. This allows me to eliminate backhaul hosts were local people are accessing locally hosted data and give me a price advantage over national and global "cloud" providers.

Simply having a POI in a region will allow technology business such as data centers and managed service providers to establish in regional Australia.

My fear is that NBN will just be the Telstra monopoly all over again, and more POI's equates to more built-in flexibility in the structure and hence creates opportunities for business to differentiate their offerings.

A higher POI count also facilitates high bandwidth applications such a video on demand because as demand for such services increases operators can choose between buying more transmission capacity or deploying servers closer to the end user.

A higher POI count also means that other teco's can deploy competitive and complimentary technology in a region and be able to link in at a local POI. The design of NBN fibre does not appear to have much scope for physical path protection, so there might still be a market to build alternate fibre paths, wireless transmission etc to provide backup against fibre breaks or to drive a signal from a neighboring POI.

Rossyduck
Nov 17, 2010 9:47 AM
Heard these guys being described as Telecom 2, not Telstra 2 the other day - very apt. Has anyone ever tried to contact them to discuss anything. They are unapproachable, and do not respond. Good luck.
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Meet the man who "invented" the NBN's PoI system, Peter Ferris, NBN Co design manager, speaks at Smart Grids Forum in Sydney. photo: Nate Cochrane
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