NBN priority not promised to independents: Conroy

 

Regional rollout re-jig.

The two key independents whose support gave Labor a second term in office had not asked for, nor received, a commitment for the priority rollout of NBN infrastructure in their electorates, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said overnight.

Appearing on the ABC's Lateline program, Conroy said the independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott "did not put forward any plan whatsoever to prioritise their own electorates" in their weeks of negotiations with Labor to form a government.

Both Windsor and Oakeshott had listed broadband as an important factor in their decision to side with Labor.

"I think what attracted them to the National Broadband Network was that this was a national benefit to all of regional Australia," Conroy said.

"They did not ask for nor did we give them any commitments about being focussed in their individual electorates."

Conroy shed further light on planned discussions with NBN Co this week to re-jig the rollout plan to prioritise regional over metropolitan areas generally.

"What we will be talking to NBN about in the next few days is instead of starting one maybe in the centre of Melbourne, we would actually do one in, picking a town, Wodonga. Instead of starting in Brisbane, we might do Mackay," he said.

"The engineers at NBN Co have got a range of options.

"The way that the rollout will actually be constructed is that there will be more than 30 construction sites across Australia when it reaches its peak build at the same time."

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NBN priority not promised to independents: Conroy
"I think it would do us all a favor if Maxxi2 seriously cut down on his post lengths. All I read was ramble Also this Sams wrote: Maxxi2: said (somewhere in a vastly redundant rant): "Are you ..."
By deteego
 
 
 
Comments: 26
Francis
Sep 9, 2010 10:03 AM
I hate to say it but Conboy is not the brightest minister for communications that we have had to suffer.
On one hand there would seem a lack of transparency with regards to the NBN, but on the other such as this case he should keep his trap shut lest he stirs up a hornets nest.
Tom Brown
Sep 9, 2010 10:33 AM
Oh Francis
Read the article, your bias is apparent.

Thanks Ry it is appropriate that Conroy did not do a deal specifically to favour those electorates.
Francis
Sep 9, 2010 10:54 AM
@ Tom Brown. I read the article and yes the agreement was not for these independents to get fibre first but that those regional areas without proper coverage be given priority. so just as you mistook my message then Conboys statement can be misconstrued. That is why he should can it.
Ace
Sep 9, 2010 1:38 PM
"I hate to say it but Conboy is not the brightest minister for communications that we have had to suffer." - @Francis

Next you'll be telling us the pope is Catholic!
anonymous
Sep 9, 2010 3:39 PM

@Francis: "Conboy is not the brightest minister for communications that we have had to suffer." Bugger, there go all my illusions.

@Ace, well, yes, and Conboy seems to feel he is in the same position!
epimetheus
Sep 9, 2010 4:57 PM
Well, Francis I must agree that Conboy is not the brightest....but there we must part ways.....I will not qualify that any further! Face it, he is a Labor pollie and as far as intelligence goes....they don't have any. Besides, brightness is not a prerequisite to being a pollie whereas a degree in stupidity is. If anyone believes that the two cretins involved it putting a rat-face in the driver's seat again, did not get anything out of their underhanded deal, he too needs to obtain specialist help! In the previous election Labor got government only by sucking up to a party led by a sexual pervert. That was bad enough but now they get power from the same group plus two er.....what? Makes one think don't it? In the end it boils down to the fact that Australians get the government they deserve! If any of them believe a politician is going to tell the truth, ever, then it is even more obvious that they are in need of counselling.
ITnovice
Sep 9, 2010 5:55 PM
Depending on where they role out the network first will impact the early stage statistics on take-up, pricing, competition, and uses etc.
Slatts
Sep 10, 2010 2:38 PM
Conroy wrote:
Instead of starting in Brisbane, we might do Mackay," he said.


I love this bloke and will hear no more nasty stuff said about him.

unless the low bastard doesn't follow through...

realitybites
Sep 10, 2010 2:58 PM
As a Mackay Resident, I fully support Slatts statement, especially the last bit! :P

[edit] God my spelling is woefull today. Must be a faulty keyboard :)

Edited by realitybites: 10/9/2010 02:59:38 PM
Mike_Sadler
Sep 11, 2010 6:32 AM
@Francis, @anonymous, @Ace,
OK... so name YOUR pick of communications ministers over the last... nah, you pick the timeframe. Wouldn't be sporting otherwise.

@epimetheus
Look behind you! Oh... you already are.
Slatts
Sep 12, 2010 10:30 AM
epimetheus wrote:
Well, Francis I must agree that Conboy is not the brightest....but there we must part ways.....I will not qualify that any further! Face it, he is a Labor pollie and as far as intelligence goes....they don't have any. Besides, brightness is not a prerequisite to being a pollie whereas a degree in stupidity is. If anyone believes that the two cretins involved it putting a rat-face in the driver's seat again, did not get anything out of their underhanded deal, he too needs to obtain specialist help! In the previous election Labor got government only by sucking up to a party led by a sexual pervert. That was bad enough but now they get power from the same group plus two er.....what? Makes one think don't it? In the end it boils down to the fact that Australians get the government they deserve! If any of them believe a politician is going to tell the truth, ever, then it is even more obvious that they are in need of counselling.


Wow epimetheus! You epitomise bitter and twisted!

Did your boy fail to get up?

Again!?

Personally I'm looking forward to the next few years. Making our pollies tread on eggs and watch their manners will make a pleasant change.
Maxxi2
Sep 13, 2010 8:07 AM
OK Francis, I am with Mike_Sadler on this one... Who then was the brightest comms minister that you have had to suffer?

Coonan, Alston? Before that?

While you are deciding that, also let us know just how effectively they rectified the industry-strangling Telstra monopoly that some brighter comms minister put in place...?
Maxxi2
Sep 13, 2010 9:42 AM
Well epimetheus, that is quite some chip in your shoulder that you are carrying around...

It's language and online behaviour like this that gives folks like Conroy the ammunition they need to ramp up online controls...

Politics has always about deal making and negotiations, that is the essence and raison d'etre of politics. The coalition is seeting once again simply because they were once again outdone in deal making and negotiations when it came down to the crunch.

Their stance is far too hardline for most independants, no give and just take.

What really riles them though is their impotency against prime target Conroy and their Number One Fear Button: NBN.

They scream and rant about mismanagement, yet the Tassie NBN build came in on time and 10% under budget. The great thing about budgets is that you do not need a cost/benefits analysis to come under a defined and publicly stated budget, which they did.

And again, rant and vent all they like, some anti-Conroy folks just do not seem to comprehend that the general public is hardly fazed at all by his lack of oratory skills, do not eqate that with a lack of capabilities or intelligence and actually do perceive the NBN at 20 times more significant as some filter that might never happen...
deteego
Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM
Maxxi2 wrote:
OK Francis, I am with Mike_Sadler on this one... Who then was the brightest comms minister that you have had to suffer?

Coonan, Alston? Before that?

While you are deciding that, also let us know just how effectively they rectified the industry-strangling Telstra monopoly that some brighter comms minister put in place...?


The other communication ministers at least didn't provide a filtering scheme that's on par with counties like Iran, China, North Korea and Cuba
RDEFCON1
Sep 13, 2010 2:24 PM
@Maxxi2 - "yet the Tassie NBN build came in on time and 10% under budget".

Easy to say that when you've never actually published the budget for the build. And even if it's not pure spin, 'one swallow does not a summer make'.
Maxxi2
Sep 13, 2010 4:29 PM
deteego:

"The other communication ministers at least didn't provide a filtering scheme that's on par with counties like Iran, China, North Korea and Cuba"

Neither has Conroy. Give it a break, do you really have any idea of the circumstances and filtering and censorship in those countries?

Do you have any facts? I mean real facts, not blazing assumptions and throwaway one liners?

Like the proposed filter or not, as is everybody's right, it is an insult to the people struggling against those regimes to have people cheapen their plight with unfounded comparisons.

Get us some real facts of how their internet and censorship works in those countries, the monitoring, the courts, the police surveillance, the penalties, the *justice* system etc, and then start making some valid and credible comparisons.

And you will have to live with the fact that the majority of Australians do not even rate the filter issue anywhere near the significance of the NBN...

Food for thought: You would not have this open comments section, or WP, without fear of arrest, in Iran, China, North Korea and Cuba. And they can and do track comments back to users, anonymous or not... Try openly insulting or disparaging a minister in those countries deteego.

Maxxi2
Sep 13, 2010 4:39 PM
@RDEFCON1 - Just as easy as calling Quigley a liar I guess... >;))

Just kidding, I have yet to see any serious, validated industry or political repudiation of the veracity of Quigley's numbers.

It is also really easy to just call any comment from other people "pure spin", the online blogs, comments sections and forums are bulging with claims and counter-claims of validity, misinformation, lies and truth...

But to be cheeky, I could also respond...

"one dead sparrow does not a dead forest make..."

Many folks were jumping up and down that Tasssie would already prove how badly the NBN build would be managed, but lo and behold it went pretty well for a starter site.

Sure we all have serious reasons to doubt govt executed builds of large scale projects, but Conroy has put a pretty experienced, professional and suitable team in place here... Let's se how this unfolds, cos mate, the NBN is going to happen.
RDEFCON1
Sep 13, 2010 5:40 PM
@Maxxi2

Sorry if I don't trust governments (or anyone) who makes information selectively available and then talks about how great their achievements are. Without evidence, it's all spin to me.

NBN sure is going to happen. Let's just hope they get it right. Otherwise, we're all going to wish we held them to stricter standards of transparency and prudence with the public purse.
anonymous
Sep 13, 2010 7:01 PM

@RDEFCON1, it's hard to argue against what you say as a matter of principle. But Mike Quigley and most of the other NBN managers are well respected for their industry knowledge and experience, and all the signs up to now are encouraging.

Just don't start me on past or current comms ministers though. Both sides of politics, including the present one, have been a bloody disgrace.
deteego
Sep 13, 2010 7:18 PM
Maxxi2 wrote:
deteego:

"The other communication ministers at least didn't provide a filtering scheme that's on par with counties like Iran, China, North Korea and Cuba"

Neither has Conroy. Give it a break, do you really have any idea of the circumstances and filtering and censorship in those countries?

Do you have any facts? I mean real facts, not blazing assumptions and throwaway one liners?

Like the proposed filter or not, as is everybody's right, it is an insult to the people struggling against those regimes to have people cheapen their plight with unfounded comparisons.

Get us some real facts of how their internet and censorship works in those countries, the monitoring, the courts, the police surveillance, the penalties, the *justice* system etc, and then start making some valid and credible comparisons.

And you will have to live with the fact that the majority of Australians do not even rate the filter issue anywhere near the significance of the NBN...

Food for thought: You would not have this open comments section, or WP, without fear of arrest, in Iran, China, North Korea and Cuba. And they can and do track comments back to users, anonymous or not... Try openly insulting or disparaging a minister in those countries deteego.



Countries with Mandatory Content Filtering
China
North Korea
Iran
Seoul
Cuba
(Soon to be, but hopefully not, Australia)

Am I missing something?

You know the reason that Conroy gave for his mandatory internet filtering, to protect the children. Thats the exact same thing Hitler said. EVERY government in history that has then mandatory censorship on media and freedom of information has abused it. The minute you can censor what people cannot see is the minute you can hide issues and problems (which would normally be transparent) up until you get to the point where it all collapses. When you see the websites leaked on wikileaks (websites being banned which have no correlation to the RC) then there is a problem.

Its always a very small step, Germany was a democracy before Hitler got in, but such mandates always path the way for massive abuse, and they always have.

To be honest though, we probably don't have to worry about the filter if its being put on a bill, since everyone apart from Labor (including the greens and Indepandants) would vote against it
Mike_Sadler
Sep 14, 2010 11:55 AM
@deetego

Twice in one thread eh?

You trivialise the struggles of those under current totalitarian rule and then seek to draw some inference between Conroy and Hitler. You insensitive little twerp!

To add insult to injury, you close with:

"To be honest though, we probably don't have to worry about the filter if its being put on a bill, since everyone apart from Labor (including the greens and Indepandants) would vote against it"

Though some may have been delighted with the prospect of 'honesty' in one of your posts, it serves only to highlight your dishonesty once more. Though you recognise the filter 'point' is moot, you felt compelled to make those thouroughly unpleasant comments anyway? Narcisstic prat.

You also didn't (couldn't?) answer the question which gave rise to your pathetic rant... name (just one) better communications minister than Conroy. It's important, because if you and the anti-Conroy forces got your way, you may live to rue what you've wished for.

Finally, do you live here? Are you old enough to vote? Did you vote?

@epimetheus
Ratface? Wite and Wong? Takes me back to the 'Sixties in the playground, probably about where your consciousness exists. Its no wonder you think politics and politicians (especially ALP ones) are so detestable; if only they could embrace the true meaning of debate and used the reasoned logic and insightfulness that you offer, eh?

To you, arguments contrary to yours indicate various levels of intellectual incapacity; To me, they chould be a pre-requisite for Mensa membership. You bitter, bitter, old man.
anonymous
Sep 14, 2010 12:23 PM

@Mike_Sadler, your post would have more validity (and be on topic) if you dealt with the issues in this thread rather than venting your spleen at the people who put forward different views to yours.

Your final sentence sadly sounds like it could be a self-description.
FrankJackson
Sep 14, 2010 2:09 PM
@Maxxi2: Saying the internet filter is not the same as Iran, China or North Korea is wrong. Actually its 100% the same? The government will use the filter to keep out content which is deemed to be something "you should not be able to buy from an AU shop". This level of "censorship" is done by a few lads, and lass's behind closed doors and we are not sure what they will do with their new found power - OR for that matter who influences the choices they make.

This is exactly the same as Iran where the moral standard for "RC" is determined by religious leaders or based purely on religious grounds - They tend to take their religion very seriously. After the election Iran's Govt found themselves in "hot water" they flexed their censorship muscle by placing bans on youtube, twitter and other forms of social media.

We have the same systems in place in China - if Govt. deems the content to be unsuitable for its "drones" they will block it. They have no fear for extreme censorship as they have used censorship and propaganda to keep the hammer and sickle working for many years. Their system is based on it ... lies and deceit.

At the end of the day - if a few people can filter information that gets to the many - they can control what the many think and want.

a turd is a turd ... if its small or big, if you paint it gold and put a cherry on top of it ... its still a turd.

Dont fool yourself by thinking its a golden chocolate truffle with a cherry on it - One day you may have to bite down and taste its true character.
Maxxi2
Sep 14, 2010 3:23 PM
Hi FrankJackson.... The debate on the pros and cons of the filter can and should be continued here, it remains a healthy sign of democracy that we have this debate and that many folks can keep and open mind on the potential negatives & positives, the real dangers and the "smoke and mirrors" aspects.

I am not now and have never advocated that the filter is the solution to all online issues, miscreants, crime, fraud and misuse of the Net... It is typical though that some folks just cannot help themselves (not speaking of you, just positioning here) but respond in that manner if someone contradicts any point or seems in the least to find any positives in the proposal.

Me, I severely dislike bulldust levels, false claims, fraudulent statement, outright lies and the undue severity and language of many of the attacks.

When comparing regimes and governments, there must be a line of practical and reality based relativity. Comparing our govt, whether Coalition or Labor, and their methods, to an Iran, China or North Korea in this context it is simply and clearly a classic case of comparing the molehill with the mountain.

They both have similar shapes, they both emerge from the ground and they both consist of materials found elsewhere in the earth's crust.

And that is where it stops FJ, that is exactly where it stops.

As a simple example and exercise, anyone doubting this should travel over to any one of those countries, start up a forum like this or WP, start a thread about online censorship, call the minister responsible the names many folks here call Conroy, accuse them of what he and the ALP are accused of, use the language often used in WP, and accuse the government in general, on the forum, of what our govt is daily accused of by some.

Then wait a little and I guarantee that you will very very quickly be yearning for our terrible and repressive govt FJ, as what you will then experience will change your views for ever and a day.

Many people are tortured, raped and murdered in the jails and state police locations in those countries, on a regular basis. People disappear, families are threatened and wiped out if suspicion levels are high enough. A perceived insult is enough to cause death or disappearance. Suspicion of sedition will get you and anyone closely associated with you some extended periods of severe bodily mistreatment that would make Bush and Cheney blush with envy FJ...

People get gunned down in the streets during protests, tanks are sent in to crush those that do not move, populations starve whilst the military eats up a huge percentage of the state budgets.

If you could start the forum at all....

Are you seriously comparing Australia to that? Really? Is that your perception of what is happening here?

The few lads and lasses you are talking about are the classification board, who have been around for what, over 80 years or so? Applying no new found power, but applying the same power and standards they have been applying, to the overall satisfaction of the vast majority of democratic Australia, for decades.

Just consider your words comparing Australia with China again FJ... Since when can any minister etc here decide what goes onto the RC list? Never to date and not even considered.

Comparing the elephant to the chihuahua because they both have four legs, eyes at the front and their bums at the back would be a ridiculous and incredibly tenuous exercise. But many folks here are predicting that the chihuahua will start trampling houses, busses and masses of people underfoot in a fit of rage... (allegorically speaking)

But hey, if you are keen to really experience the true nature of the comparison, you now know what to do. As does anyone else who claims Australian governments treat their citizens just like those countries do.

BTW: To get some reality into the discussion around the Germany example, you must first of all put that whole situation into the context of the time, the wars, the European situation at the time, the reparation payments, and then it serves as an excellent example of how evil can emerge.

Otherwise it becomes just another windbagging session with no idea of what really went on there and the circumstances that made that possible, none of which exist here today in a remotely comparable measure.

Or are there folks here seriously suggesting the ALP would gas 6 million people? Remember, it is corrupt regimes that introduce such levels of censorship as a tool of terror, not internet filters and censorship that creates evil regimes. Not ever happened in the history of mankind, not ever...

And for good last, the quote referred to relating to children is a well known FALSE quote from a Jewish rabbi's rewrite of an Adolf statement, for a specific purpose. It is falsely attributed to Hitler... Again, debate on the basis of facts.
Sams
Sep 14, 2010 4:18 PM
Maxxi2: said (somewhere in a vastly redundant rant): "Are you seriously comparing Australia to that?"

No, obviously they are saying that is what we are trying to avoid.
deteego
Sep 14, 2010 11:59 PM
I think it would do us all a favor if Maxxi2 seriously cut down on his post lengths.

All I read was ramble

Also this

Sams wrote:
Maxxi2: said (somewhere in a vastly redundant rant): "Are you seriously comparing Australia to that?"

[size=8]No, obviously they are saying that is what we are trying to avoid[/size].


The countries did not start off as dictatorships, they became that when when laws (such as these) got into place. Then governments (or corporations or parties) abused these laws, and formed such a government. As much as you try and justify the idea Maxx2, you cant, because there is no justification for it in a democratic country (which I hope that you agree we are)

Edited by deteego: 15/9/2010 12:02:23 AM
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