NBN Co back in business

 

Gillard, Coalition, Greens have their say.

The organisation building the National Broadband Network will restart spending, tenders and recruitment following news of the installation of a Labor minority government today.

Four of the five Green and independent MPs backed Labor, with Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott saying Labor's broadband policy was critical to their decisions.

With the Coalition vowing to scrap the NBN should it come to power, its architect NBN Co was operating at limited capacity during the past few weeks.

NBN Co welcomed Windsor and Oakeshott's announcements today, which finally gave Labor the 76 seats required to form government.

"NBN Co's management and its 300 employees welcome the clarity that today's announcements provides in relation to the future of the NBN," a NBN Co spokesman said.

"We will now work to restore deferred processes, including the recruitment of staff.

"Everyone at NBN Co is looking forward to working with business, government, the community and our customers to deliver a high-speed broadband future for all Australians.

"NBN Co will meet with its shareholder ministers to discuss future policy directions."

New network directions

Regional Australia was a focus of the negotiations between the independents and the two major parties.

In the end, a deal between Labor and the independents saw agreements brokered on uniform national wholesale prices for the NBN and priority infrastructure rollout in regional areas rather than rolling out the network from metropolitan areas.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard confirmed the arrangements at a press conference.

She said wholesale tariffs would "end the difficulties with telecommunications, and difference in price for regional Australia", while skirting a question on whether metropolitan users would subsidise regional customers.

"What it means is that every Australian is going to be able to get access to the same wholesale price and competitive broadband," she said.

"What a transformation, to equalise telecommunications. What a transformation."

She described negotiations with the independent MPs and the Greens as "business-like" and "marked by openness, candour and diligence in working through the issues".

She said the Government would work through ministerial and cabinet changes "in coming days" with her leadership team, which included Communications Minister Stephen Conroy.

The Prime Minister urged Parliament to "draw back the curtains and let the sunshine [of parliamentary reform] shine in".

And she extended an olive branch to the Coalition in the belief that the "Australian people want us to find more common ground in the national interest".

"I pledge to work constructively with you and your colleagues to find common ground where we can," the Prime Minister said.

"I will always be working for this nation's future and I pledge that from me to the Australian people".

Coalition's broadband response

Opposition leader Tony Abbott said that "in the end [he] wasn't surprised or shocked" by the decision of the independent MPs but that he was disappointed.

"I was nevertheless grateful for the opportunity over the past fortnight to put my case to the independents," Abbott said.

He believed he had taken good policies into the election and lambasted the Government over its broadband network policy.

"My suspicion is that the NBN is going to be school halls on steroids," he said, referring to the cost blowout on the Building the Education Revolution scheme.

"I think it's going to be an absolute minefield of waste and incompetence and you can be absolutely certain the Opposition will be hypersensitive in this area.

"No competent government would commit $43 billion without a full cost-benefit analysis. The fact this Government has done so is a very bad sign for competent government."

Meanwhile, Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce told ABC News24 that the Nationals did not want another election but were "bitterly disappointed" in the independents' decision.

Senator Joyce said Australia was heading for a "rolling fiasco" and predicted that Australians should expect the "nutty ideas to start rolling out" and the Greens "to pursue their agenda as is their wont, as is their right".

He slammed the national broadband network "which, for all intents and purposes, may be superseded by other technologies down the track".

"Broadband was a $46 billion commitment and even on that there's a tolerance of 25 percent that could go either way for a technology that could be superseded," Joyce said.

"Remember this money has to be borrowed. Are we going to be happy to ... put that on the nation's credit card?

"Although there might be a desire to put fibre into every house, are we going to accept [the funding arrangement]?"

He criticised the NBN for "not going to all Australians", believing the Coalition's policy "went to the edges [better]" to look after regional Australians.

Joyce also claimed the NBN would result in duplicating infrastructure in metropolitan areas and "tokenistic decisions made in regional areas".

The Greens' response

Greens communication spokesman, Senator Scott Ludlam, said Australia had reached a "good outcome" for its telecommunications landscape.

But the broadband debate was far from over. Senator Ludlam said that although there was clarity over the House of Representatives, the upper house would not be finalised until the middle of next year.

"Technically, the Senate is still hostile to the prospect of rolling broadband bills out. We'll be going into negotiations the Coalition and [Family First Senator] Steve Fielding."

He noted the NBN was "one of the areas where there was a clear distinction between the parties", with Labor committing up to $43 billion on a fibre-based network, and the Coalition planning to spend just over $6 billion.

"The issues we've been raising about privatisation and rolling it [the NBN] in rather than rolling it out got good coverage during the campaign," he said.

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NBN Co back in business
"Mordd wrote: Coalitions plan was to "leave it up to the marketplace" you really think the marketplace are going to spend up big to provide wireless access to regional areas, or provide decent ..."
By deteego
 
 
 
Comments: 20
DazzaJ
Sep 7, 2010 8:09 PM
Again there is a loss for remote areas. Most parts of SA, WA and NT don't even get a slight mention of connection.
By the time it gets going it'll be old technology and we'll be paying over the top for it again. And of course Labour will get their FILTER, Monitoring, Logs and control. Thanks to the Greens and Independents now being in their pocket.
HubertCumberdale
Sep 7, 2010 9:26 PM
DazzaJ wrote:
By the time it gets going it'll be old technology


Fibre will be old technology? You dont know much about technology do you? I'll explain it to you: Fibre uses light to transmit bits of information across vast distances at blazing speeds... It's fibre.

Edited by HubertCumberdale: 7/9/2010 09:26:49 PM
johnpro2
Sep 7, 2010 9:53 PM
Technology can and does change of course.Dj does have a valid point. Break through in mobile/satellite technologies are the most likely. The younger generation in particular wants the mobile stuff ..not tied to mum and dads desk computer.

Jp
HubertCumberdale
Sep 7, 2010 10:18 PM
johnpro2 wrote:
Break through in mobile/satellite technologies are the most likely.


Yes. I can picture it right now a whole legion of people when NBN co comes knocking on the door to attach the fibre refusing saying something like "No thanks, no need we have a breakthrough in wireless coming in a few weeks! yay!"


johnpro2 wrote:
Dj does have a valid point.


No.
Mikeinnc
Sep 7, 2010 11:06 PM
DazzaJ wrote:
"By the time it gets going it'll be old technology."

Yep. It sure will. Actually 30 year old technology. The only problem is that in that thirty years no one has come up with a better or faster or more stable transmission technology than fibre. Think about it - fibre was being rolled out when personal computers were in their infancy. In all that time and with all the vast technological changes since, fibre is still the best option for the foreseeable future - and beyond.

Probably better, DazzaJ that you don't comment on things you clearly don't have a clue about.
jamesm
Sep 7, 2010 11:08 PM
Magical wireless technology will save us eh? When it rains I lose satellite coverage. More powerful satellites, bigger dishes and we can watch TV and cook birds that fly over at the same time...

"The younger generation in particular wants the mobile stuff ..not tied to mum and dads desk computer."

If you're really that set on wireless solutions then do what most rational people do - fixed line broadband to a wireless router then use your own wireless network. The
younger generation don't care so long as what they want comes to their devices as quickly as possible.

"And of course Labour will get their FILTER, Monitoring, Logs and control."

Greens and the Coalition (and probably the independents) will vote down the filter. And the filter was really the brainchild of that idiot Fielding and he is pretty much gone. Filter is dead in the water.

"Again there is a loss for remote areas. Most parts of SA, WA and NT don't even get a slight mention of connection. "

Obviously you haven't been following the NBNCo. NT will get initial FTTH coverage mid-2011 with backhaul expected to be finished by end-2010. Now if the NT can get it then frankly, anywhere can.

"Dj does have a valid point."

No x 2. In fact,

"Nextgen is showing off 100Gbps speeds over the same fibre technology platform as the one being used in its rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN) Regional Backbone Blackspot program." [link removed]

Edited by rycrozier: 8/9/2010 10:46:43 AM
sydneyla
Sep 8, 2010 7:45 AM
Let's all hope for a little stability and certainty concerning the NBN now that the political result has been sorted.

Now that Telstra will no longer be a monopoly and will lose its Wholesale Division, those opponents of Telstra who for years have gained advantage by complaint will be now silenced.
Rossyduck
Sep 8, 2010 8:23 AM
A sad day for us and our children where we no longer have competition to determine the best fibre solution - just stuck with stodgy NBN Co's gravy train, and incredibly expensive to deploy and maintain solution.

Please can we stop with the speed of light drivel. Whether electrons or photons, they move faster than we can commercially harness them. Light slows down in fibre. Theoretically radio waves move faster than both. It is a matter of how quickly we can modulate a signal onto and off the medium, and the amount of information we can modulate.
duster
Sep 8, 2010 8:45 AM
Why does everyone talk about wireless being a potential contender? It's not resilient in poor weather conditions and the latency is awful compared to fixed line access methods.

Rossyduck: The idea of competition determining the best solution is nice and all but it clearly wasn't happening because Telstra/Optus/etc aren't about providing the fastest/best product they can, they're about supplying a product that gives them as much profit as possible. Why is it that the significant cable speed increases were only made available after the NBN started to gain momentum?

If it were up to carriers they'd run the copper network into the ground, then shunt customers onto mobile networks without building new towers until they were overloaded and THEN maybe they'd think about doing something new.
umbria
Sep 8, 2010 8:58 AM
@Rossyduck, not to labour the oft-made point, fibre has exponentially more bandwidth than wireless and can span vaster distances with less than 1% speed loss, no contention, low latency. You can gild the lily all you like, but wireless will never be satisfactory for the robust delivery of primary broadband. It works well as a mobility and blackspot solution, provided the heavy lifting is done by fixed infrastructure, which for more than 5km range means fibre.
Bob
Sep 8, 2010 10:29 AM
@duster, the carriers want to put fibre in the ground, and have wanted to for 15 years. The issue is that whoever puts fibre or in fact copper, bits of string or whatever (at their expense) in the ground first must make it available to their competitors. So who would do that?

Remove that stupid law and you would have broadband straight away, and the tax payers wouldn't have to pay for it or have the risk that it may be a $43B white elephant.

Also fibre may be the current transmission technology, but capacity doubling annually typically means being obsolete within 5 years.
anonymous
Sep 8, 2010 10:42 AM

@sydneylala - "Now that Telstra will no longer be a monopoly and will lose its Wholesale Division, those opponents of Telstra who for years have gained advantage by complaint will be now silenced."

Those shareholders of Telstra who for years have gained advantage by complaint will now be silenced. And it took a long time, but you have finally admitted that Telstra has been a monopoly.

@Bob - "Remove that stupid law and you would have broadband straight away, and the tax payers wouldn't have to pay for it or have the risk that it may be a $43B white elephant."

Not even your Telstra could do anything straight away, Bob, and when they did it would be low grade (think the equivalent of RIM installs) and vastly overpriced. The NBN can't come soon enough.
deteego
Sep 8, 2010 1:47 PM
The reason why people are talking about Wireless internet is that OMG its the only way to transmit internet without wires. And believe it or not, OMG people do actually use such internet (you know, the ones that use smartphones/ipads/netbooks/laptops), not the ones tied to their computers all day. In fact this OMG people want wireless buisness is actually expanding ridiculously fast, wired internet is not

You knowwhat else, OMG. Wireless technology has been improving significantly, especially in areas of Latency, Speed and Connectivity. If you think wireless is bad now, you should have seen it 5 years ago. As pointed out, Fibre is the speed of light, until we get some quantum style transmission method thats as fast as you can get for wired internet. For wireless, its still a technology that is improving.

People that are saying that Wireless has crappy speeds/latency, etc etc. Well maybe you don't realise, but Australia doesn't have the best wireless network, and its an area in technology that is improving. Using that argument is like saying building roads are pointless because we are riding slow bicycles (road = mobile internet infrastructure) when we have cars coming around the corner.

Edited by deteego: 8/9/2010 01:48:38 PM
Gavk
Sep 8, 2010 8:44 PM
Latency on wireless actually hasnt improved whatsoever in the past few years, only throughput has.

On that note nearly noone who has ACTUALLY USED wireless will tell you it is good. I have a iPhone right next to me, I just ran a speedtest and recieved 120Kbps download and 430ms ping. That is completely ususable for almost everything, compared to the result of 18,000Kbps I get 24/7 on my DSL connection....

Wireless is useless in peak time, has terrible latency.

The majority of the people campaining for a Wireless NBN have never even used wireless, again, ask a friend that has and he will almost always say it's terrible.

Oh btw, Australia DOES have the best 3G network in the world (NextG) - and one of the few 4G networks in the world (Vividwireless)
Yet both perform terrible??

The majority of people who have a wireless internet connection, like myself, only use it as a complimentary service - it's half the package, you get it for mobility and backup purposes. You still have the landline for your everyday usage.

Also, Bob, We DON'T have a law that says if you build any form of Broadband delivery network you need to open it up for wholesale, what a daft thing to say.

Look at Optus and Telstra cable for example, noone but themselves have access to it.

Telstra Velocity in Smart Communities? Again, just them...

What about Neighbourhood Cable in Geelong? Only they have access to it...

What about Vividwireless's network? Again, just them.

[[[Also fibre may be the current transmission technology, but capacity doubling annually typically means being obsolete within 5 years.]]]
Absolute rubbish.

As of now, they have managed 70Terabit/s over a single Fiber strand, you can combine 10 Fiber strands and make that 700Terabit/s if you need it.

Compared to barely over 1Gb/s over wireless, lolz.

100Mbps and 1Gbps, what NBNco will offer, are only a fraction of that - Fiber is far from obsolete.

1Gbps Fiber is being shown all over the world in many european countries, it works, it is proven, 4G and LTE are yet to show anything impressive out of labratory conditions.

And your saying Fiber is the risky technology? Brb need to laugh myself to death.
Mordd
Sep 10, 2010 1:20 PM
It took about 10 years for the IEEE to ratify 802.11n as a standard, and many people today are still buying only 802.11g equipment new. This is the great development of wireless that everyone is heralding, it took 10 years for the speeds to DOUBLE thats it for wireless networking.

As for mobile access, in the past 10 years speeds have maybe increased as much as FOUR times what they used to be, with 7.2Mbps the theoritical max speed with the latest equipment and perfect coverage scenario.

Now forgetting the fact that at the moment most people used fixed line access still, and if you converted everyone to wireless the bandwidth available in the spectrum would dissapear literally overnight.

Even forgetting that, if the technology continues to increase in speed at the current rate based on the past 10 years, then mobile access will reach ADSL2 speeds in about oh 2050 maybe, and in that time wireless networking will maybe increase to about 500Mbps or so in that time.

Compared the increases in speed over Fibre technology in the past decade, with speeds of over 100MBps already possible (not thats Megabytes not Megabits speed as the wireless speeds listed above are) and with new technology already being trialled at 1GBps speeds, thats an increase of at least 10 times in speed over the past decade on fibre compared to what you could get back in 2000.

So putting aside the network congestion with wireless, the massive latency, and its performance degradation in rainy/stormy/windy weather, even then its speeds are simply not up to anything more than supplementary access. Anyone saying that wireless is sufficient is kidding themselves and doing everyone a diservice by spreading false information.

@deteego - Your argument is like saying we shouldn't build more railway lines for cargo/people movement because we already have cars and 100km per hour is a pretty fast speed for us to drive at, ignoring that railway lines can carry trains at up to 4 times faster speeds and carry more cargo for less fuel cost (bandwidth?) that what trucks on the roads can. Just because people want to use wireless, and want it to be faster, does not mean that its a magical solution that someday someone is just going to go "oh look, i made a 100MBps wireless protocol that doesn't suffer from latency or network congestion" thats like putting off buying a new car now in case someone actually comes up with a flying car tomorrow. In the end you're only fooling yourself mainly though, the rest of us can drive a truck through the massive holes in your "argument".
deteego
Sep 11, 2010 2:13 AM
Right, and I guess my University, where we have a 12 mb average download speed wireless network doesn't count at all (probably because its one of the few places with a decently set up wireless)

No one is saying everyone should use wireless, but the Technology is definitely popular and being used. Also since Australia has a lower population density it will have less effect on the spectrum

A mix of high speed wired internet and wireless networks is the best solution, which funnily enough was coalitions plan
Pilotyoda
Sep 11, 2010 10:34 AM
"No competent government would commit $43 billion without a full cost-benefit analysis"
Isn't that what Howard did with defense spending?
deteego
Sep 11, 2010 12:10 PM
Pilotyoda wrote:
"No competent government would commit $43 billion without a full cost-benefit analysis"
Isn't that what Howard did with defense spending?


Correct me if I am wrong, but Australian government never expected to go to war and make profit out of it. When you put money into defense budget, you don't expect to get much return out of it (apart from defending the country or doing international ventures).

A cost benefit plan for infrastructure is basically a "have to do" because such projects are
1. Really expensive
2. Expect to get a return out of it (better transport = less cars on road, less bottlenecks etc etc
Mordd
Sep 13, 2010 4:40 PM
Coalitions plan was to "leave it up to the marketplace" you really think the marketplace are going to spend up big to provide wireless access to regional areas, or provide decent access even in the cities? Where have we got so far with the leave it up to the market philosophy - 10 years of Telstra blocking access to competitors in exchanges and numerous ACCC rulings against Telstra over that time. Yup lets just leave it up to the market, great policy Mr Abbott - NOT!
deteego
Sep 13, 2010 7:33 PM
Mordd wrote:
Coalitions plan was to "leave it up to the marketplace" you really think the marketplace are going to spend up big to provide wireless access to regional areas, or provide decent access even in the cities? Where have we got so far with the leave it up to the market philosophy - 10 years of Telstra blocking access to competitors in exchanges and numerous ACCC rulings against Telstra over that time. Yup lets just leave it up to the market, great policy Mr Abbott - NOT!


Umm, read the plan again (people who mindlessly hate the Coalitions plan seem to have this really bad habit of picking out the bits they don't like and say that was the whole plan)

The coalitions plan was a bundle, it offered numerous things. The backhaul was to be provided by the government through Telstra, the only thing left the market was the To The House connections (Fibre, Wireless, Copper etc etc). Backhaul (and Wireless backbone) was going to be provided by the government
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