Coalition won't support internet filter: report

 

Labor urged to cull proposal.

The Liberal-National Coalition will scrap Labor's mandatory internet filter proposal should it gain power in this month's election, according to reports.

Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey reportedly told ABC-owned radio station Triple J's Hack program that the Coalition believed the filter policy was "flawed" and "will not work".

"It is not going to capture a whole lot of images and chatter that we all find offensive ... that are going through email," Hockey said.

The policy announcement was welcomed almost immediately by the Greens and the Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA).

EFA chair Colin Jacobs said that with the Greens "long record" of opposition to the filter regime, "Mr Hockey's announcement means that Labor's legislation is effectively dead on arrival in the Senate."

"The Opposition are very welcome among the ranks of those many organisations and individuals that see the filter as a policy failure," Jacobs said.

"We call on Minister Conroy and the Gillard Government to now admit the mandatory filter policy is dead, and to move on to a debate more grounded in reality."

Greens communications spokesman Scott Ludlam agreed that Labor "should drop the censorship proposal rather than fighting what now looks inevitable".

"Tonight belongs to the huge number of people who contributed to a tenacious self-organised campaign that stretched from online civil libertarians all the way up to the US Department of State," Ludlam said.

"The Australian Greens will work with any party in the parliament on constructive cyber safety proposals. At last that debate can start properly."

The Government delayed any action on the filter until after a review of the refused classification (RC) guidelines, expected to take at least a year.

The Coalition had, just hours before, been critical of the Government's policy, without openly stating a policy of its own.

"The best internet filter a child can have is a parent that is engaged in what their children do and see on the internet," the Coalition stated.

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Coalition won't support internet filter: report
"@Ace, all indications are that NetAlert did not suit Conboy and the govt's political priorities. It got canned because it was put in by the other mob, and because it did not provide a framework ..."
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Comments: 24
franko12345
Aug 5, 2010 10:42 PM
Hooray
EMwyres
Aug 6, 2010 8:27 AM
Don't celebrate just yet, but the signs are obviously very good.
BrettWinterford
Aug 6, 2010 8:48 AM
How long do you give it before they issue a denial?
Daveh
Aug 6, 2010 9:51 AM
While i am overjoyed that someone from the opposition has made this statement i am VERY dubious as:
a) Joe Hockey said it. Hes the leader for the NATIONALS not the Liberal Party. Additionally, looking over the campaign Joe Hockey has no numerous occasions 'shot from the hip'. Basically, the dudes a politican and until Abbot says it, i wont believe it.

Second. Reading Mr Hockeys ACTUAL statment from Hack on Triple J, you see that they will only be Opposing the filter if they are in Opposition NOT IF THEY ARE ELECTED HE MADE NO SUCH PROMISE.

That one is key guys, they have made NO PROMISES ABOUT WHAT THEY WILL DO IF ELECTED.

Talk about doublespeak!
btone
Aug 6, 2010 10:16 AM
@Daveh: Hockey is the Liberal shadow treasurer. Warren Truss leads the Nationals. The Liberals shadow spokesman for broadband, the mia til now Mr Smith has stated they will not vote for the filter. The nationals have a formal anti filter policy.
Daveh
Aug 6, 2010 10:36 AM
Source on the full denial?
RDEFCON1
Aug 6, 2010 10:54 AM
@Daveh - "Hockey has on numerous occasions 'shot from the hip'". Oh, the irony. Try getting one fact right yourself.


Hooray for the Libs (at long last).
Ace
Aug 6, 2010 11:00 AM
The fact Mr Smith has said nothing to date is very telling. Hockey is playing with words. In saying the Labor filter policy is flawed simply means they want to alter it slightly to have their own version.

Have the coalition come out and said that work choices the internet filter is dead? Not that I'm aware of.
EMwyres
Aug 6, 2010 11:40 AM
@Ace

Tony Smith actually spoke last night on the matter, reiterating Hockey's comments...
Daveh
Aug 6, 2010 11:40 AM
My apologies for incorrectly stating which arm of the coalition hockey belongs too.

@btone - National's policy against means little if the coalition they are pledged to still supports it (See poor Kate Lundy for examples on this)

@RDEFCON1 - If you wanna see a GREAT example of this. Earlier in the week Coalition policy on date for return to surplus was officially "I don't know what I will inherit [from labor]". Hockey policy was "It's the Coalition that will deliver a surplus in three years' time, a real surplus."

Still doesn't stop there being Weasel Words in what they are promising. And Faux-Pas from me aside - these guys are STILL being disingenuous.
EMwyres
Aug 6, 2010 11:44 AM
@Daveh

Coalition includes the Nationals and the Liberals (in case you've not been paying attention) - and Hockey stated that the COALITION will vote against the filter...so that includes the Nationals, and their official anti-filter policy...
Daveh
Aug 6, 2010 11:59 AM
@EMwyres - Source, AGAIN.

Libs official policy has been and i quote "..."
Feel free to check their policy's. http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

No mention of the filter. As for Hockeys statement, my point has been that he said ONLY IF THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION WILL THEY VOTE AGAINST IT.

I think the filter is as STUPID as anyone. What i am asking is that people READ WHAT HAS BEEN SAID before going and jumping for joy that the filter is going down.

I am simply pointing out that we have one statement containing 'Weasel Words' and no official policy from the bigger portion of the Coalition.

All i want is people to look and take measure of the statement.

Taking ONLY what has been said IF the Coalition wins then Hockey will not be breaking a promise if the filter goes up following a Coalition victory.

Find me an OFFICIAL statement of policy for them sinking it REGARDLESS and i will be MORE than happy to admit that its true.

Until then, we have ONLY the statement that has been made. Which only gives us policy in the event of a LABOR VICTORY.
Ace
Aug 6, 2010 3:04 PM
So @Daveh, are you saying that the Libs are telling people to vote Labor if they don't want an internet filter?
MattyB_76
Aug 6, 2010 3:10 PM
@ Daveh - Call me naive but if the Coalition win Government, the Internet Filter is not one of their policies, it will be scrapped, and there'd be no need to vote against it.
Jono
Aug 6, 2010 4:05 PM
Ok.. so here is the plan...

Step 1. Vote Labour in the lower house for the NBN

Step 2. Vote Greens in the Upper house so the filter will die and the NBN will live.

Step 3. Vote down Liberal so they wake up and put MT back in over Abbot.

Step 4. Profit???

anonymous
Aug 6, 2010 4:33 PM

@Jono, since you would want us to think you are impartial, it might be an idea to wait until the Libs and the Greens officially launch and commit to their comms policies before you flag your 1-2-3-? games.

Promoting political parties on the basis of what you think they might do can often lead to tears or worse.
Jono
Aug 6, 2010 4:52 PM
Haha.. That was tounge n cheek.. But ok

Ludlam made it quite clear a few weeks back on qanda how the greens would vote for both the filter down and the NBN up. Unless I somehow misintepted what he means...

At least with a labour govt, the NBN will get there in the first place.
Pilotyoda
Aug 6, 2010 6:57 PM
The Greens are really against the filter. It IS their policy
The Libs have said they will scrap the "Labor Internet Filter" if they WIN.

1) Does that not mean they may not come up with their own filter. *Abbott said "No WorkChoices changes will be made in the FIRST term of a Liberal government"

2) If labor wins, no promise is made, in the above article, to vote against it. If liberals don't vote against it in the Senate of a Labor Government, then even if the Greens have a balance of power, the legislation will get through. (If the Nats cross the floor, their combined vote with the Greens won't be enough to sink it).

I simply no longer trust the legacy big parties.
Sams
Aug 6, 2010 9:49 PM
anonymous: "it might be an idea to wait until the Libs and the Greens officially launch and commit to their comms policies"

http://greens.org.au/policies/media-arts-science/media-and-communications
anonymous
Aug 7, 2010 8:23 PM

@Jono - Scott Ludlam has said he opposes the filter proposal, which is good.

@Sams - I looked through the Greens 54 policy wishes in vain for the one reading "The Greens will vote against government censorship of the Internet."

Some people get a little excited before an election, but the fact remains that the original Greens position of "We will consider the filter legislation when it is tabled, and may move some amendments" does not appear to have been upgraded to a clear statement that Greens senators will all vote against Net censorship.
RDEFCON1
Aug 8, 2010 11:58 AM
@ Daveh - why even bother joining this discussion when it's clear you're a died-in-the-wool Labor voter who's made up your mind despite the facts.

Several Coalition spokespeople, including Hockey and Smith, have now been quoted as saying "an ISP level internet filter will not work" and "A Coalition government will not introduce a mandatory ISP level filter" (Sources: quoted in SMH, The Age, The Australian). Note for the one-eyed - that says a 'Coalition government', which means that's their policy if they win.

The Coalition have also reiterated their support for an approach using PC-based filters for families, which they subsidised under the Howard government.

Meanwhile - I can't find any evidence on their website that the Greens have a policy wrt/ the internet filter. I wish they would, cause this is my no.1 issue of concern.
Sams
Aug 8, 2010 11:02 PM
@anonymous Policies are necessarily broad. I think Scott Ludlam and other senators have made it very clear that they will vote against the filter.
Ace
Aug 9, 2010 10:42 AM
I could never understand why Labor took down the free NetAlert software provided under the Coalition, leaving no government support for protection of the 'kiddies' at all. This would make it appear that in fact Conroy didn't care about the kiddies at all, since he has done nothing to remedy the situation. The coalitions approach on this issue was, and still is dead right.

All Labor needed to do was enhance and promote the existing NetAlert program.
anonymous
Aug 9, 2010 5:43 PM

@Ace, all indications are that NetAlert did not suit Conboy and the govt's political priorities. It got canned because it was put in by the other mob, and because it did not provide a framework for implementing an upscalable system of secret government censorship.

Apart from that, NetAlert was just what parents needed to do the job, but what's that got to do with it?
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