iiTrial: Appeal ends with studios seeking cooperation on piracy

 

Appeal day 4: Costs, damages and relief mentioned in closing.

An anti-piracy regime would cost both the film industry and ISPs money to implement, but compliance on the part of ISPs was not without benefit, representatives of Hollywood studios told the Federal Court yesterday.

In closing submissions, Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) lead barrister David Catterns QC said the film industry "accepted that our scheme involves cost" but he said the proposed scheme included the benefit of "compliance with Safe Harbour" provisions listed in Part V Division 2AA of the Copyright Act for the ISP.

"That's what our friends [iiNet] get out of that," Catterns QC said.

"On our side, leaving aside damages from infringement, we have to detect infringements and fix our friends with knowledge. There may be some to-ing and fro-ing, verifying and so on [that goes on].

"Cost is part of a complicated system".

Relief sought

Catterns QC said that, should AFACT win on appeal, it sought a "declaration that our friends [iiNet] authorised the primary infringement that they have admitted to."

He also said the studios would seek unspecified injunctions against iiNet, but stopped short of wanting iiNet to block certain websites as indicated in the original trial, accepting iiNet chief executive Michael Malone's assertions in evidence that such blocks could be "easily circumvented".

And Catterns QC said unspecified compensation would also be sought.

Catterns was highly critical of iiNet's submission that its Freezone of legal content was beneficial in the fight against piracy.

"The idea that someone at home... using BitTorrent is going to be crowded out because they are so busy cruising the freezone that they won't be offering to seed other people with the films they've already downloaded from BitTorrent doesn't go very far, we'd submit," he said.

"Of course you can watch TV and at the same time have your computer set to make films available online."

He was also critical of iiNet's move to send some AFACT notices via the Western Australian Police, labelling it "derisory to do that."

"Our learned clients are sophisticated people who are completely aware these are civil matters," Catterns QC said.

"Putting these things to the Police is merely [iiNet] thumbing their nose at us."

On one occasion, Catterns QC was forced to clarify that he wasn't introducing new arguments in closing.

"Was this in reply or are you having another go?" Justice Emmett had queried Catterns on a line of criticism.

iiNet's lead barrister Richard Cobden briefly attempted to address "two new matters ventilated" by the studios in closing submissions - including injunctive relief.

Justice Emmett said that if the full bench was to find in the studios favour, it was likely further arguments would need to be heard to determine relief or whether to send the case back to the primary judge, Justice Cowdroy.

The case was stood over for a fortnight.

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iiTrial: Appeal ends with studios seeking cooperation on piracy
"Your Honour, this is only a civil matter… AFACT's message on every DVD reminds us it's criminal. And therefore must be investigated by police. When Police become swamped chasing AFACT's myriad ..."
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Comments: 9
EMwyres
Aug 6, 2010 8:30 AM
Perhaps if the copyright holders offered up their material for sale for a reasonable price, instead of the ridiculously high prices that they offer now, people wouldn't feel so compelled to download material from the internet. They would find that more people would buy it from them, and they'd probably make more money from it. However, nobody ever accused them of having anything that remotely resembles a clue!
anonymous
Aug 6, 2010 10:43 AM

@EMwyres:

Perhaps they don't need to have a clue. Haven't they usually bought the best politicians that money can buy?
;-)
Daveh
Aug 6, 2010 10:48 AM
+1 EMwyres.

How about this as a solution. AFACT pays for ALL iiNets costs to block BitTorrent for 12 months, since BitTorrent is clearly the cause of this.

If it costs them, they can move away realizing they have themselves to blame. If it saves them money they it works.

I might add that 'all costs' would include, staffing, kit, maintainence, prevention and of course legislative (they are blocking peoples legit access to a large portion of the internet)
laman
Aug 6, 2010 11:46 AM
Another issue is the availability of the different version of the same video. For example if I am French, and I want to want the same movie in French. Unfortunately the studio thinks they can not justify putting in French audio and subtitle on the DVD or Blue-Ray sold in Australia. To me, either I watch the movie in English or I download a French version from Internet. In fact DVD and Blue-ray are capable to carry more sound tracks and subtitles, but they refuse to do so. Should they at least carry part of the blame?
zag
Aug 6, 2010 4:55 PM
note that the studio's are happy to say it'll cost money to do what they want, but don't offer to pay anything to the ISP.

You can't block bi torrent as people download game patches and MMO clients via bit torrent.

That is why iiNet have no real interest in dealing with bit torrent because bit torrent isn't the problem it's the people who put up files which happen to be copyrighted stuff for download via the net.

Which having ISPs block people or suspend account will only cause problems for the ISP and not the studio.

The iinet QC should say we have no abitly in stopping someone from using bittorrent or downloading copyright files.

it's like someone handing someone a copied DVD what are the studios going to do... nothing.
Ace
Aug 7, 2010 12:08 AM
Actually @zag, some time ago the recording/movie industries thought there should be a fee applied to every blank CD and DVD sold so they could recoup stolen content revenue. While in Australia this was declared unconstitutional, other countries weren't so lucky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
Pilotyoda
Aug 10, 2010 7:46 AM
@Ace.
I believe it should have been applied, then.
But now it is pointless as downloads go direct to hard drives - why bother with a CD/DVD?
Could put a tax, of say, $10/TB on drives as they are basically being sold listing capacities of n songs / nn movies per drive? but as drives get bigger the tax would go up.
Oh well. they should still go after the individual users, not the Carrier (see previous posts).
BrissyBoy
Aug 12, 2010 8:30 AM
Let's punish all purchasers of HDD's regardless of their actual intent when they buy the disk, ie use it for storage of content that is not copyrighted or rights owned movies, music, TV progams etc - ie their own developed creative material or material for which they have purchased rights to use either through iTunes, off-the-shelf software purchased on-line or at a retail outlet. They have to pay an additional levy (ie buy their license right twice) because some intelligent idiot feels that copyrights and patents are a form of government sponsored theft and inhibitor of peoples' creativity and therefore exploits an ostensibly legitmate file sharing service to deny an individual or organisation of a fair and just reward for their creative efforts.

These people are criminals - the AFACT case against iiNet is a bit like the Feds holding Qantas responsible for carrying a parcel in the hold of an aircraft that turns out to contain illicit drugs - instead of tracking down the perpetrators, because it is much less work to go after Qantas, seems fair doesn't it.
ITrant
Aug 12, 2010 10:09 AM
Your Honour, this is only a civil matter… AFACT's message on every DVD reminds us it's criminal. And therefore must be investigated by police. When Police become swamped chasing AFACT's myriad criminals, perhaps legislators will bring these dinosaurs into the 21st century. Imagine market forces causing distributors to charge a reasonable price for product. "You may say I'm a dreamer…"
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