ISPs throw cold water on Conroy's 'uncapped' NBN

 

Fears 'uncapped' could become the new 'unlimited'.

ISPs rejected a prediction by the Federal Communications Minister that capped data plans will disappear once the $43 billion National Broadband Network is built.

Senator Conroy forecast last week at the AIIA Broadband Agenda event that capped internet plans - under which bandwidth consumption is limited per month - will be eliminated by the increased competition introduced by the national broadband network.

"If you look at what happening in Tasmania... I think ultimately competition will drive caps out of the market," Senator Conroy said last week. "Australia is one of only four countries in the world that has caps.

"The prices you're seeing - I think competition is driving them out of the marketplace."

But ISPs offering services through the NBN fibre rollout in Tasmania contradicted the minister and said there are major obstacles to overcome before Australian customers can enjoy the same uncapped plans available to their global counterparts.

Significant financial and legal hurdles need to be cleared before uncapped plans can be introduced, said Internode's general manager for regulatory and corporate affairs John Lindsay.

"New broadband access networks like the NBN may support uncapped plans, but only if the access prices are set correctly," he said.  Specifically, Lindsay said, the Government would need to pass the Telstra split legislation in the Senate.

Exetel CEO John Linton echoed this sentiment and explained that the most prohibitive cost is delivering data nationally, which was almost double the cost of feeding data to Australian shores.

Domestic IP transit costs remain high, despite the cost of international IP falling 60 percent over the past year. International prices arte expected to drop a further 25 percent by the end of the year.

"I can't see 'unlimited' or 'uncapped' data being made available," Linton said.

"[But] with [generous data] allowances these days, I think the relevance of download limits - especially when set at 100GB a month or multiples of that number - are effectively 'unlimited' as far as end users are concerned."

Lindsay warned customers that "uncapped" plans could become the new "unlimited" - a controversial word used to advertise broadband plans which has not gone unnoticed by Australian regulators.

"The cost of servicing an average subscriber is well above the retail price for the cheapest capped plan," Lindsay said.

"This will either lead to the removal of those plans, or to several grades of uncapped service being offered, where service providers torture the language in order to describe various levels of uncapped-ness for their services.

"In short, it will be 'unlimited' all over again, he said, with 'some limits apply' in the fine print.

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ISPs throw cold water on Conroy's 'uncapped' NBN
"I want an NBN However, like highways and grid-lock, when it becomes a substitute for free-to-air TV, cable and rental videos, it wont take long to saturate the newly available bandwidth. As for ..."
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Comments: 12
RDEFCON1
Aug 3, 2010 11:36 AM
Having spent some time in the US, I have observed that capped plans are actually emerging in that market. The thinking is that low-end users shouldn't have to subside the high-end users who are driving costs up with rapidly growing usage level.

Given that, I find it amusing that Senator Conroy thinks our market will evolve in the other direction...
djzort
Aug 3, 2010 4:28 PM
conroy is just making statements to attract votes. what does he care if his broadband fantasy's dont become reality, when his fantasy of a fat pension cheque can easily become reality.
AndrewS
Aug 3, 2010 4:35 PM
The Conroy vision is certainly narrow and self-directed. My first thought was about the US situation as well as the recent introductions of caps. Let the puppet jibber jabber on, hopefully he will be swept away in a month.
peterniss
Aug 3, 2010 8:11 PM
I have to agree with djzort, Conroy seems to be singing to whoever he can to get votes. Except of course the huge percentage of people against his dictorial censorship plan like myself. But given that hes generally quite a clueless chap it doesnt surprise me all that much. I just hope that the non IT literate side of the community can see it and hopefully vote Conroy out.
nutjob
Aug 3, 2010 8:23 PM
I live in the US and a live with a capped internet connection - provided by the local monopoly cable operator (ADSL lines are unreliable and generally provide low speed).

So, in your wisdom, you have it arse about: the caps are because of monopoly players, not because they are inevitable in the marketplace. Telstra is the reason you have caps and when they are gone as the monopoly wholesaler the caps will disappear.

You rail against the Labor government, but they're the only ones willing to stand up against the corporations, and without them you'll get keep what you have now for the foreseeable future, or until Labor gets back in.
Ice
Aug 3, 2010 9:24 PM
@nutjob i agree with what you have said all those that oppose the filter and are voting for liberal because of it. dont seem to realize that their beloved NBN will be no more and the telstra monopoly will still be in place if the liberals win the next election and we will still have a filter because the liberals actually support it in theory.
advocate
Aug 4, 2010 10:54 AM
nutjob & Ice, Update and Reality check: Telsta is not the monopoly player in the provision of wholesale ADSL, nor is it the monopoly player in the provision of backhaul services to ISP's.
International access for internet traffic in and out of Australia is also not solely controlled by Telstra, I suggest you look elsewhere for the reason that caps exist.
advocate
Aug 4, 2010 12:37 PM
Weird YES choice option re the poll 'Should Australian broadband plans be uncapped under the NBN?"

"Yes, assuming Telstra is split and backhaul is cheaper."

To the person who framed the poll statement, what has the split of Telstra got to do with backhaul being cheaper and secondly the relationship between the NBN having uncapped plans and Telstra backhaul escapes me? - you do know that there are currently many providers of backhaul in Australia and this will continue under the NBN, including a new player the NBN Co themsleves.
lindsayb
Aug 4, 2010 1:48 PM
I thought that the Internet content costs were controlled by interconnect charges with overseas ISP's. Basically they pay per megabyte that is sourced form say the U.S and therefore pass those costs on.

Australias issue is we do not generate enough content, we have no providers that can provide a website system with links to a payment system (such as GoDaddy in the U.S). basically to remove caps I expect we need to get better at hosting data.
nutjob
Aug 4, 2010 5:12 PM
advocate: You really don't know what you're talking about. ADSL runs over copper phone lines, Telstra owns all the copper phone lines. It's the very definition of a monopoly. Also, ISPs are on record that data transmission across Telstra's (mandatory, if you use telstra ADSL) backhaul costs MORE than the international link. It costs more to cross 5000kms of Australia than 15000kms of ocean.
advocate
Aug 5, 2010 8:44 AM
nutjob: I do know what I am talking about actually, you are also back pedaling with your argument, we are talking about why capping on data exists, you blame it totally at the feet of Telstra which is completely wrong.

First of all the monopoly copper link is owned by Telstra and is overseen by the legislative powers of the ACCC for both pricing and access, backhaul in the absence of competitor backhaul is ALSO overseen by the ACCC.

If you have a problem in how they do this in that it is the reason for data capping state your case, (make sure it is factual though) direct with the ACCC or lobby your local Federal MP.
Pilotyoda
Aug 5, 2010 9:27 PM
I want an NBN
However, like highways and grid-lock, when it becomes a substitute for free-to-air TV, cable and rental videos, it wont take long to saturate the newly available bandwidth.

As for capping, one video a night, even with compression would equal 60GB/month, so when there is some decent speed, a 100GB/m plan is not so big after all. With a fully interconnected family, 500GB/m would have to replace what are currently mid-level plans of 20-50GB/m. I can for-see within a year or 2 of a full NBN commencing operation, Terrabyte plans may become commonplace
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