Whirlpool suffers DDoS attack

 

UPDATE: Blocked by upstream providers.

Broadband forum Whirlpool was brought down by a distributed denial of service attack this morning.

Update: Service restored at 10:30am. See below.

Update #2: Site down again June 30th. See here for latest news.

From 12:45am, Whirlpool host Bulletproof Networks noted irregular packet loss and investigated. The hosting company discovered a large number of HTTP requests from a number of source IP addresses, all targeting Whirlpool.

Bulletproof blocked the offending source IP addresses and asked its upstream providers to do the same, restoring the site at 1:45am.

The attack resumed five minutes later.

Again, Whirlpool was pulled offline whilst Bulletproof worked to block the attack. It was brought back online just before business hours, but was taken offline a third time as the attack resumed.

"The service provider owners of the offending IPs in Denmark and the US have been contacted to escalate blocking of their specific addresses at source," Bulletproof told iTnews.

The hosting company informed its customers via a series of text messages:

29/06/2010 12:46:12 AM Alert: Bulletproof Monitoring has detected
network degredation [sic]. ETR is unknown.

29/06/2010 2:13:44 AM Alert: Network degradation with upstream providers
due to DDoS has been mitigated.

Bulletproof Networks said the outage was isolated to the Whirlpool site.

UPDATE: Bulletproof Networks COO Lorenzo Modesto has paid tribute to the work of Bulletproof's upstream network providers, Internode and Pacific Internet, which blocked the source IP addresses of the Whirlpool DDoS attack promptly.

The blocking of these source addresses enabled Bulletproof Networks to push Whirlpool live again from 10:30am today.

"The most obvious way to build a robust network is to use a Tier One network upsteam - but history shows they don't tend to be as responsive. Non-Tier One providers tend to have multiple paths in and are more responsive in times like this. Our upstream providers were able to sort the issue within the hour."

Modesto maintained his sense of humour during the attack.

"Looks like Whirlpool was the target of at least 20,000 spams or scams coming through the portal," he told iTnews.


Whirlpool suffers DDoS attack
""Whirlpool is still one of the best IT forums around in Australia. Never had any problems with posting, censorship, etc. I think we all know who the crybaby here is...wink " <- Note the wink ! ..."
By AndrewAnderson
 
 
 
Comments: 56
btone
Jun 29, 2010 2:54 PM
Well I guess thats what happens when the 20,000 Whirlpool members opt into child porn eh Steve?
anonymous
Jun 29, 2010 3:23 PM

@btone, it's even worse if all 366,000 Whirlpool members log into those CP, rape and terrorist sites at once.

Well, they must be logging into those sites, mustn't they? Our Dear Leader Conboy says that terrorists and rapists are the only people who could possibly oppose his filter.
Mordd
Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM
This is unnacceptable! I demand that Conroy employ 2 gaurds to stand by the Portal 24/7 to ensure no more scams or spams can make it through. Its bad enough with all these boat people making through the portal without scams and spams coming in and taking aussie jobs away from working families. Its time someone stood up to the Portal and said enough is enough, deploy the army reserve if we have to but we need to gaurd it 24/7 from now on, the safety of Australia is at stake!
Res
Jun 29, 2010 8:59 PM
366000 members?
Take off the 300000 closed known ghosts, spammers, trouble makers, miscreants.
Take off another 60000 fake accounts because they forgot their passwords.
Take off 1000 active ghost accounts used by existing members with an identity crisis.
Take off 4000 members who joined, and never returned and you're left with about 1K users

remember, whingepool never deletes accounts, ever, they just bin or close (but still count) you.
Ben91
Jun 29, 2010 9:49 PM
and it is back down.....

and Res, there is actually a very large population that use it. about 20,000 per day (today last 24 hours) with 2200 logged in and 1700 visitors right now
Paul Grenfell
Jun 29, 2010 10:05 PM
Is there another attack tonight? I cant get WP at all (10pm 29/6)
GizztMilton
Jun 29, 2010 10:12 PM
@Paul and Ben91.

Same problem here. Two friends have the same problem.
Paul Grenfell
Jun 29, 2010 10:18 PM
Hin Gizz/Ben..
What is the purpose of hitting WP? No gain except for maybe personal satisfaction.. Plain Stupid..Node will block them soon hopefully..
HubertCumberdale
Jun 29, 2010 10:22 PM
WP is down? who cares, why is this even news? place is full of crybabies & retards, possibly the most censored forum in the Internets complaining about censorship all day long, what a fun place...
Paul Grenfell
Jun 29, 2010 10:37 PM
This is silly, absolutely no reason for this, except someone maybe got banned and is retaliating.
GizztMilton
Jun 29, 2010 11:24 PM
@Paul, I have no idea mate... But if Bulletproof is hosted by Node, often highest rated ISP and Whirlpool is the #1 broadband related forum in
Australia, it could just be a test for something larger. I'm not convinced anyone getting banned would be attacking from the US and Denmark. But again, this is just a guess and just my own guess.

@Hubert, I see this come up often in Whirlpool, it generally boils down to a case of: 1) It's not mandatory to be on whirlpool unlike Gov censorship,
2) the people on Whirlpool enjoy their time there - if you don't enjoy your time there, there are many other forums which have less strict rules out there. It's a choice which is what we want!

Ben91
Jun 29, 2010 11:31 PM
Simon put out a twitter update telling us what we already know, another DDOS attack, he has also requested that somebody call batman
HubertCumberdale
Jun 29, 2010 11:39 PM
Gizz imo that's a really lame excuse, they are control freaks just like the government and they try to justify it with that sort of speak and I think you'll find that the people who enjoy their time there are still there for a reason, see my original post, it's like natural section, you'll only survive there if you are prepared to follow the convoluted rules without question. But you are right there are many other forums which have less strict rules, however I'm trying to think of one that lumps every post on a forum into one big unreadable mess, I remember years ago when I did post there I was trying to figure out should I post this in that thread and get it deleted for being "off topic" or should I start a new thread and get it deleted for "see existing thread" meh anyway I think it's a shame we are limited for choice in .au when it comes to respectable forums to communicate on.
Paul Grenfell
Jun 30, 2010 2:21 AM
Hubert, WP has a huge following and is very helpful for many thousands of Participants.. You have to have rules of some sort. If you dont like it, move on.
Mitch
Jun 30, 2010 8:31 AM
HubertCumberdale, you are very welcome to start your own IT/Broadband forum like Whirlpool and you can set the rules as you see fit or have no rules at all and let it run amok....
brissietex
Jun 30, 2010 8:58 AM
Whirlpool is still one of the best IT forums around in Australia. Never had any problems with posting, censorship, etc. I think we all know who the crybaby here is...wink

That said, for public forums to survive on the internet, there have to be posting rules and control of content. Otherwise, the forums become something like the old discontinued Yahoo or Microsoft forums...places for spamming. There will always be disgruntled (ex-)users out there like HubertCumberdale so I just ignore them as I do with trolls, fanbois, etc.
Rhino
Jun 30, 2010 9:20 AM
LOL @ Hubert, then feel free to find another forum that suits your needs.

I've had nothing but positive experience on Whirlpool. Any queries I've posted have been answered, and I have tried to be helpful to other people.

I thought that was the idea of it?
Rossyduck
Jun 30, 2010 9:26 AM
I am hoping we can get a folow up story - and not let this go the way of all other stories. Maybe we could get some investigative reporting to suggest a motive, who it was from, was legal action taken - hope that is not expecting too much.
Rhino
Jun 30, 2010 9:30 AM
Looks like it's happening again. Can't get access.
BrettWinterford
Jun 30, 2010 9:38 AM
I'm on it guys. New story coming up...
ray73864
Jun 30, 2010 9:54 AM
Bit of an insane idea, but probably just deny all traffic that isn't coming from inside Australia itself...

I know it would make it hard for outsiders to view the forums, but at least it should theoretically solve the problem :)
rycrozier
Jun 30, 2010 10:13 AM
Update: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/218335,whirlpool-ddos-attacks-to-be-reported-to-police.aspx
HubertCumberdale
Jun 30, 2010 10:55 AM
Oh look the crybabies are infecting itnews now, apparently they are incapable of reading too... no surprises there.
Mordd
Jun 30, 2010 11:58 AM
Great debating skills there Hubert, call anyone who disagrees with yourself a crybaby. Thats a very mature tactic you are employing, obviously taken straight from your local Primary School playground. Well guess what Hubert... its Nap time! The adults need to talk now, off to beddy byes with you :P
btone
Jun 30, 2010 12:00 PM
@Hubert: your last post is bemusing, suggest you visit the ACL or Tanner's blog to get some freedom of expression. Oh, thats right, one is moronic and the other is gone. Thats freedom for you diddums...
Res
Jun 30, 2010 12:20 PM
@Ben91
Ohh.. bugger, I forget to count the bots which likely accounts for 50% of the rest, thanks for reminding me.

No doubt it has its users, but the regular users, no way your going to tell me they have 20K unique user visits per days, remember those ghostly ghosts now :)
I wonder if visitors is actually page hits... that might make sense.
Its amazing how easy is to inflate a database count
Res
Jun 30, 2010 12:27 PM
@brissietex

"Whirlpool is still one of the best IT forums around in Australia. Never had any problems with posting, censorship, etc. I think we all know who the crybaby here is...wink "

You do know the reason whingepool is nicknamed that don't you? You also know why it was setup in the first place? or maybe your too young..history lesson time kiddies...

It was setup to attack Telstra Cable Internet when they withdrew the leacher plans, and then it moved to include attacking Optus Cable who took away the all you can eat to bring in Netstats around 2000ish, and from there it carried on including others, but of course, it protects its sponsors.

peterhau
Jun 30, 2010 12:29 PM
there are alternatives if it is purely tech you are after. check out the new site - autechheads.com - sorry for the shameless self promotion, but I use both sites, WP for my industry info about new technologies / resellers / experiences with vendors and autechheads for professional development, technology in action, jobs and the chance to be on a small starter site that isn't a behemoth yet. Mods are there, but not OT deleters.

Edited by BrettWinterford: 30/6/2010 12:47:30 PM
BrettWinterford
Jun 30, 2010 12:48 PM
er, Peter, shameless self-promotion aside, you're already in a forum right now!...
http://www.itnews.com.au/Forum
Paul Grenfell
Jun 30, 2010 12:59 PM
Touche...
ArDee
Jun 30, 2010 3:07 PM
@Res "No doubt it has its users, but the regular users, no way your going to tell me they have 20K unique user visits per days"

The OCAU thread started yesterday about the Whirlpool outage already has 24,000+ views - and I doubt its the 'bots' looking at it.
anonymous
Jun 30, 2010 3:42 PM

@Res, yes, we know why some Telstra corporate types thought it would be smart to refer to Whingepool.

Since you may need some assistance with that, WP has always been one of the best sites for exposing the scams and spams that T$ has tried to put through the portal over the years.
HubertCumberdale
Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM
"Great debating skills there Hubert, call anyone who disagrees with yourself a crybaby."

There's no debate here, I've found it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion or debate with cult members anywhere.


"Thats a very mature tactic you are employing, obviously taken straight from your local Primary School playground."

I'm sure you think in your paranoid mind that it is a tactic but I can assure you it's not, I just call a bucket a bucket and a spade a spade.
HubertCumberdale
Jun 30, 2010 3:58 PM
"@Hubert: your last post is bemusing"

It was wasn't it? I'm glad you got as much out of it as I did from writing it, textual work of art I'd say, unfortunately I cant say the same for your post :(
Mordd
Jun 30, 2010 9:37 PM
Wow, use base level bullying tactics, then when called on it use language designed to win the debate by entirely nullifying the other person with sarcastic insults such as calling anyone who disagrees with you a "cult member".

Now I'm the first to admit I troll on these forums, and on WP very, very occasionally (although not for a while now) but no wonder they ban your accounts over and over Hubert - and that is obviously what you are so mad about right - because you are just the classic flame-baiter right here, your comments from top to bottom here read like a classic attempt to troll out anyone with an actual opinion on the matter.

I feel sorry for you Hubert, im sure you think your comments are oh so clever and contrived, and you must spend hours coming up with them, oh well at least you have ITNews forums to vent on even though you can't tell WP how much you hate them on their own forums (well you can but im sure they'll just ban you again right).
Rhino
Jul 1, 2010 8:28 AM
Hey Brett, is it just me or does the rhetoric from Hubert and Digger11 sound the same?

Maybe it's just me. I mean Digger has admitted to having multiple accounts on Whirlpool to try and force his opinion on everyone, what's stopping him doing it here?

But in regards to Whirlpool, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a site owned and operated by a couple of guys, therefore if they make the rules, you need to follow their rules.
rycrozier
Jul 1, 2010 10:01 AM
@Rhino. Both have been served warnings this week. And one is now having some time off for repeated personal attacks.
HubertCumberdale
Jul 1, 2010 11:59 AM
Rhino I'm not digger, I actually ignore digger most of the time because I dont think he has anything valid to say, if you think I dont have anything valid to say maybe you should follow my example, some people think he is a troll I dont consider him a troll, I dont consider anyone a troll, this is just a label people use when they are losing an argument on internet forums and message boards, take this thread for example I've pretty much single-handedly destroyed every whirlpooler here and the only thing they can really do is label me a troll.

As for whirlpool forums like whirlpool dont belong on the internet as they are a bad influence on our impressionable government and it gives them ideas.
dickynee
Jul 1, 2010 2:56 PM
+999999

HubertCumberdale, to many bullies on WP at times.
wwwalker
Jul 1, 2010 3:02 PM
It looks like the Webmaster of Whirlpool needs to kick off or block all the hackers, may be using a script.

I had hackers attempting to upload illegal material on portals. I blocked their IP address and removed their login.
Rhino
Jul 1, 2010 4:13 PM
LOL Hubert, sorry mate but I just went back and re-read all your posts here, and you haven't destroyed a single thing. I'm a regular Whirlpooler (if that's what we're called). I regularly check industry news, browse the forums sections that interest me, leave tech questions (and have found people to be very helpful), and try to answer questions for other people.

Overall my experience is very pleasant, so I fail to see why there is such a dislike of the moderators. If you have a problem with the site, take it up with the moderators, don't try and poison other peoples views by raging on other sites such as this one.

Keep in mind, when you go on Whirlpool, you are in Simon Wright's playground, therefore you need to play by his rules. If not, then feel free to frequent a different site that suits your needs, or better still start your own.
btone
Jul 1, 2010 4:38 PM
@hubert:

"As for whirlpool forums like whirlpool dont belong on the internet as they are a bad influence on our impressionable government and it gives them ideas".

Ah yes, the government would appreciate your advocation of censoring Whirlpool, how are things at ACMA these days?

Looking forward to your ongoing destructive tendencies towards WP users here, very entertaining. Totally inneffective, but entertaining.
Mordd
Jul 1, 2010 6:48 PM
@Hubert - thanks for pointing out how thoroughly you destroyed us on here, funny it seemed the opposite to me, never would have realized you "won" if you hadn't pointed it out, silly me.

As for your comment about the governmnent, its actually quite hilarious, you are right on the money there, the government doesn't like anything which allows people to express opinions against the government. Heres the real killer though Hubert - we live in a democracy mate. We might not have a bill or rights that enshrines free speech, but this is a democratic society and like it or not that gives people the right to speak against the government. If you don't like it Hubert well tough, either put up or shit up mate. No-one's stopping you from making the anti-whirlpool forum if thats what you want to do.
Mordd
Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM
Correction: or *shut* up - not trying to swear on here sorry roy/brett, please edit for me.
umbria
Jul 1, 2010 7:10 PM
Yawn. But wouldn't life be boring, here and on Whirlpool, without the Huberts of the world? He sure kills me.
HubertCumberdale
Jul 1, 2010 10:48 PM
"Overall my experience is very pleasant, so I fail to see why there is such a dislike of the moderators. If you have a problem with the site, take it up with the moderators"

The mods were pretty much control freaks last time I posted, that was like 2 or 3 years ago I dont imagine much has changed though, but that is not my main problem as I realise they just have to enforce the rules, my problem is the actual convoluted rules and the people that just accept them without question and without leaving, all while complaining about the internet filter, these people wonder why the government can just walk all over them, it boggles the mind.

"don't try and poison other peoples views by raging on other sites such as this one."

You dont think people are capable of thinking for themselves and making up their own minds? do you want to shut me up in case they agree with me? that's the wp way isn't it? I'll rag on whatever sites I want, people rag on crap shows like neighbors all the time this is no different.

"Keep in mind, when you go on Whirlpool, you are in Simon Wright's playground, therefore you need to play by his rules. If not, then feel free to frequent a different site that suits your needs, or better still start your own."

Exactly what do you think I'm doing here, this is itnews, right? do you still think you are on wp forums now? look at the address bar man it will all become clear.

"@Hubert - thanks for pointing out how thoroughly you destroyed us on here, funny it seemed the opposite to me, never would have realized you "won" if you hadn't pointed it out, silly me."

This is the first sensible thing you've said here.


"We might not have a bill or rights that enshrines free speech, but this is a democratic society and like it or not that gives people the right to speak against the government"

And yet you still post on a place like whirlpool? Exactly what channel have you been watching here? In case you hadn't noticed I'm all for free speech even when it hurts peoples precious feelings, of course with a "Herring" button you can effectively censor who you want if the mods agree with you... right?

"If you don't like it Hubert well tough, either put up or shit up mate. No-one's stopping you from making the anti-whirlpool forum if that's what you want to do."

Did I say anything about making an anti-whirlpool forum? are you imagining words I've said here that dont exist? I'm quite happy here at itnews, the rules are quite reasonable, one of my posts was deleted for a "personal insult" apparently but I'm prepared to have posts deleted if i break rules and not some imaginary ones like at wp.
Rhino
Jul 2, 2010 8:39 AM
LOL Hubert, so you're still upset about something that happened 2 or 3 years ago.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
HubertCumberdale
Jul 2, 2010 9:50 AM
upset? dont be so melodramatic and exaggerate no one is upset, just stating facts... holy crap this is like shooting fish in a barrel now, I almost feel embarrassed for you guys.
unkle
Jul 2, 2010 9:53 AM
I have to agree with Hubert on this one...WP is nicknamed for what it is. And the ironic thing is you can only post news/whinges that doesn't tread on WP backers...Has a kinda Conroy censorship feel to it...so it's pretty useless really and when their site went offline they infect their whinges on other forums...damn you just can't escape them.

Yeah I agree...what we need in .au is another forum but without the whingers and noideawhatheyaretalkingabout they destroy that site.
SFCM999
Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM
I think people seem to be confusing censorship with common courtesy / respect for other peoples property and rules.

If I'm to walk into a library or restaurant I know that I need to be respectful to the other patrons and the owners. If I start shouting and abusing others at the top of my lungs I would expect to be asked to leave. Alternatively if I started having a game of tennis in the middle of a clothing store I would also expect to be asked to leave.

Why shouldn't this translate to the internet?

Just because it's a web page as apposed to a physical location you can walk into, it doesn't give you the right to do or say whatever you want.
unkle
Jul 2, 2010 4:24 PM
"I think people seem to be confusing censorship with common courtesy / respect for other peoples property and rules."

Depends on how you look at this...maybe Kim Jong II has the same belief?

If I'm to walk into a library or restaurant I know that "I need to be respectful to the other patrons and the owners. If I start shouting and abusing others at the top of my lungs I would expect to be asked to leave. Alternatively if I started having a game of tennis in the middle of a clothing store I would also expect to be asked to leave."

Again totally irrelevant - who's talking about shouting and abusing people???

"Just because it's a web page as apposed to a physical location you can walk into, it doesn't give you the right to do or say whatever you want."

Errm...no I thought forums were dictated by freedom of speech not censorship unless of course you do reside in China or it's neigbours.
But last time i looked, Australia is still conceived as a Westernised Country ie. Democratic views = freedom not restrained or repressed....which SHOULD translate to the internet.
ArDee
Jul 3, 2010 12:32 AM
"what we need in .au is another forum but without the whingers"

"But last time i looked, Australia is still conceived as a Westernised Country ie. Democratic views = freedom not restrained or repressed....which SHOULD translate to the internet."

Getting confused here. No censorship, right? But no whingers either?
Mordd
Jul 3, 2010 5:31 PM
It's like Steve Hughes says, if you want to live in a Democracy and never be offended, well tough, its just not possible, you can't have you cake and eat it too. "it's my right to say whatever i want" well no not everywhere, WP is a forum owned by an individual basically, its not an NGO, its not a Charity, its not a Grass Roots Community Group, its pretty much a private forum made open to the public, so that gives WP the right to moderate in whatever way they want. If this offends you... well be offended, thats life.
unkle
Jul 3, 2010 9:26 PM
"Getting confused here. No censorship, right? But no whingers either?"

Well ...what can i say..maybe some peeps find whinging un-productive.

'so that gives WP the right to moderate in whatever way they want. If this offends you... well be offended, thats life."

Again...I'm not offended...obviously WP get's 'Offended' due to it's baised censorship...unlike any other productive forum out there....true point though is that peeps may just get turned off by 'Your' site once they relaise how it's run...no malice intended- meaning it's not to everyone's taste... but WP is described as what exactly in the Oxford dictionary?...
Mordd
Jul 4, 2010 1:53 PM
unkle you're confusing censorship with moderation, they are not the same thing.
AndrewAnderson
Dec 2, 2010 6:48 PM
"Whirlpool is still one of the best IT forums around in Australia. Never had any problems with posting, censorship, etc. I think we all know who the crybaby here is...wink "

<- Note the wink ! LOL - The only reason there is a wink is because it's the mods who keep it running. Whirlpool Forums is dying. It's crooked, corrupt, and simply old technology. Shut it down. Anyone who's anyone who's ever been a member of whirlpool forums knows that nothing gets through the mods unless it suits their agenda. No wonder they get hit by DOS. Probably just another upset user who was blacklisted, moderated or shut out for saying what he thought. Likely what he thought wasn't what the mod's thought. You mods (ie, all those who seem to be posting positive comments about whirlpool on this forum), need to get a life. Try facebook - it's free, and unmoderated and no one there seems (for the time been) to have an agenda.
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