AFACT seeks 60/40 split in iiNet trial costs

 

Costs judgement reserved.

AFACT is seeking to be exempted from 40 per cent of costs in its trial brought against iiNet, despite Justice Cowdroy's original judgement ordering AFACT to pay all costs.

While iiNet was awarded the case, AFACT is citing four separate issues within the trial it claims to have won over iiNet, therefore relinquishing its accountability for these specific costs.

Specifically, the issues cover iiNet's failed Telecommunications Act defence, and its unsuccessful claim that it was protected under section 112E of the Copyright Act.

Appearing today in the Federal Court, Justice Cowdroy sought clarification from AFACT as to how it calculated this percentage. 

"You're saying you should not meet more than 60 per cent of costs," he said. "Are you then allocating 10 per cent to each of these issues?"

AFACT representative John Hennessey then went into lengthy detail of past cases that awarded proportionate costs at the conclusion of the trial.

"I am highlighting a contemporary practice in courts of the proportioning of costs," he said.

He further went on to say that AFACT considered this a case in which neither party was successful.

Justice Cowdroy asked the applicant to clarify this, as the case had been awarded to iiNet.

"Is it the ultimate orders of the court that judges whether the case is ultimately successful?" he asked. "What's mixed about this case?" Justice Cowdroy continued, saying that the judgement was clear.

In referring to past cases where the judge awarded proportionate costs, Hennessey said that authorities looked within each case and addressed issues within a proceeding rather than looking at the specific outcome.

"This is an appropriate candidate for proportionment," he said. "iiNet had addressed the four issues as discrete matters."

Justice Cowdroy conceded that the way the case was conducted helps AFACT on its application.

"Your submissions have been very clear. You've put them very powerfully," he said.

In response to the application, iiNet representative Richard Cobden said that the cases AFACT highlighted as precedent for the payment of proportional costs should not apply in this instance.

"Conditions are different if a respondent is brought to court against his will," he said. "The costs follow the event."

He pointed out that even if iiNet had not succeeded, it would be entitled to orders and indemnity costs.

AFACT said that iiNet's assertion that only a "miniscule" amount of time was spent on discussing the four issues in question was "quite unbelievable".

Cobden replied with calculations that the issues in question took up between one and three percent of the court transcripts.

Justice Cowdroy reserved his decision in order to consider the comprehensive evidence provided by each side.


AFACT seeks 60/40 split in iiNet trial costs
"Meh diggers response was to be expected, as was mine, every side needs a troll, i just love iinet (im a happy customer of them) and digger just loves AFACT (probably employed by them at some ..."
By Mordd
 
 
 
Comments: 14
BlastedUser
May 4, 2010 5:12 PM
Does that mean party A should include issues that are beneficial or neutral to the party B so as to reduce the portion party A has to pay for if it loses?
JoeSoap
May 4, 2010 6:13 PM
I may be wrong in believing this but I see it as AFACT splitting the case into the parts to get a costs ruling thus allowing it access to appeal on those grounds as the judges specifications and acknowledgement by doing so. I'm not sure if I helped clarify that at all.
Johnny
May 4, 2010 6:27 PM
Sorry but i think AFACT should just pay the bloody legal costs....
JoeSoap
May 4, 2010 7:15 PM
I agree and you can see why for AFACT it could present areas that had been 'going their way' and get the costs ruling thus allowing right of appeal as the judge ruled those by awarding costs. AFACT dragged iinet into court and then lost, sure seems reasonable but to a sploit child who didn't get their way it better for them in the end if they get something.
Mordd
May 5, 2010 1:05 AM
AFACT you lost, you lost badly, now stop quibbling over costs and grow up and accept the outcome. This is truly pathetic, I could understand them appealing to exhaust all other avenues, but quibbling over the costs is really really pathetic. YOU LOST AFACT - GET USED TO IT!
Ewok
May 5, 2010 12:41 PM
AFACT got their asses handed to them on a silver platter. As was stated, iinet was brought into this by AFACT, therefore it was AFACT that ultimately failed in the end result, was NOT awarded the case, iinet was, and therefore AFACT should, as with pretty much every other case that has been conducted in such a manner, pay the bloody costs and stop whining. They thought this was going to be a cake-walk, but in the end it blew up in their face and now they are the ones with egg on their face. Tough luck, pay the piper.
Digger11
May 6, 2010 9:02 AM
We all know that iiNet was guilty - but just let off on a legal technicality (read the transcript if you don't understand).

I would have thought AFACT would be going for 0.1% costs and 99.9% to "guilty" iiNet.

Don't bother responding if you disagree, as you are totally and utterly wrong Fanboi's.
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)
May 6, 2010 10:42 AM
Unbelievably, Digger11 interprets the Judge's decision in precisely the opposite way to the Judge remembers it.

Apportioning costs should only apply where parties were fighting over the split of a pie, and the judge determined somewhere near the middle. That does not apply here.

I could have told AFACT that this would be a case that neither party would like - in that AFACT would pay by losing it, and iiNet would be inconvenienced by fighting it. But for AFACT to claim "neither party was successful" is plain wrong, and the Judge was correct in directing that AFACT ought re-read the decision, which was clear.

If someone drags you into court, you have a right to say that on any number of grounds, the plaintiff is wrong. It only matters that one holds water. You don't become liable for costs if some are found insufficient. iiNet never sought to waste the court's time... that was AFACT's position.

Besides, the court will never reward such ill-founded bullying techniques as AFACT has tried. AFACT and its rich backers need the bloodied nose as a lesson.
rycrozier
May 6, 2010 11:37 AM
"Unbelievably, Digger11 interprets the Judge's decision in precisely the opposite way to the Judge remembers it."

I hope that was sarcastic!
btone
May 6, 2010 11:58 AM
@Digger11: "Don't bother responding if you disagree, as you are totally and utterly wrong Fanboi's".

Fanboi's what?

Something missing from this sentence apart from sense, logic and intelligence?
Mordd
May 6, 2010 12:14 PM
lol @rycrozier - ive been waiting to see a decent troll from you =P
Rhino
May 6, 2010 12:34 PM
LOL @Digger...nothing like letting the facts get in the way of a moronic post eh?

Seriously mate I laughed so hard I nearly s**t out a kidney.
Choofthur
May 7, 2010 2:33 PM
@Digger11: "Don't bother responding if you disagree, as you are totally and utterly wrong Fanboi's"

Maybe try some of your own advice once in a while :)


oh and Digger11 don't bother posting if you disagree......

:)

Mordd
May 7, 2010 7:53 PM
Meh diggers response was to be expected, as was mine, every side needs a troll, i just love iinet (im a happy customer of them) and digger just loves AFACT (probably employed by them at some stage).

Anyone who watched the comments during the trial won't be surprised digger11 is sticking to his guns, in fact i admire him for his (somewhat misguided) dedication to sticking to the AFACT party line, even after all this time - at least he is consistent =P
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