Sky-high internet bills prompt TIO adjustment

 

Excess usage complaints up to $215,000 per bill.

The Telecommunications Ombudsman has tripled the monetary limit of disputes it can make legally binding determinations for after receiving complaints of excess internet usage bills as high as $215,000.

Acting Ombudsman Simon Cleary revealed a string of astronomical internet billing complaints the TIO had received to illustrate why it needed more power to rule in disputes involving large amounts of money.

Two bills for excess internet usage referred to TIO were for $55,000 and $215,000 respectively.

Another of "close to $50,000" was for mobile data downloads, Cleary said.

Cleary said that under new rules to come into effect next month, the TIO could now make legal determinations on disputes involving sums of money up to $30,000, up from $10,000.

It could also make recommendations on disputes involving up to $85,000, rather than the current $50,000 limit, and try to help resolve claims above that.

The new limits will be reviewed again within 12 months. It is the first time the limits have been altered since the TIO's inception in 1993.

"Consumers would not understand why two complaints about the same issue - one involving $8,000 and the other $12,000 - were not both able to receive the same level of assistance from the TIO," Cleary said of the current limits.

"The increases are reasonable and necessary to fulfill the TIO's role and functions in the current telecommunications marketplace."

Other large complaints received by the TIO included "a family member with a drug addiction being able to take out multiple handsets with a provider, incurring $40,000 in contract fees".

Another claimed "he did not receive his mobile telephone bills for several months and when a bill finally arrived it was for close to $145,000," the TIO said.

Cleary believed that by giving TIO more power to make legal determinations, the TIO could significantly reduce the need for customers to take action against service providers in the courts.


Sky-high internet bills prompt TIO adjustment
"Ok anom if you want to get really specific you are right, however I don't buy that this prevents giving them more authority by giving them a couple of statutory powers without making them an ..."
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Comments: 20
greg27
Apr 8, 2010 2:32 PM
It's incredible that people are receiving such massive bills - how difficult is it to monitor your usage?
rycrozier
Apr 8, 2010 3:33 PM
And equally that there's no mechanism in billing systems to put a red flag against someone on a consumer service that has hit six figures in excess charges.

Might be nice to call them, let them know and offer them an upgrade?
SvenV
Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM
A lot of people don't even know what a megabyte IS, let alone how to monitor their usage, and some ISPs are set up specifically as scams. E.g. $20/month for 200mb and ~$100/mb after that, on a connection that can pull down a megabyte per second.
tg
Apr 8, 2010 7:00 PM
"It's incredible that people are receiving such massive bills - how difficult is it to monitor your usage?"

Not always that simple...I received a $20,000+ bill from Telstra for just over a GB of data after they accidently cancelled my browser pack. Even though there was never any dispute about whose fault it was, it still took close to 6 months to get the bill removed from my account (strangely enough, when they accidently credited an EXTRA $20,000 to my account the response was almost immediate).
The problem initially started because their usage meter stopped working. I never once went over my limit but still I ended up with one of those "massive bills".
As I said, not always as simple as people not checking their usage.
anonymous
Apr 9, 2010 10:39 AM

In view of the figures quoted in the story, it has to be asked if the new TIO limits are high enough, since they are nowhere near the top amounts disclosed.

Has the fact that the TIO is an industry ADR scheme and does not have statutory backing led to this situation?
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)
Apr 9, 2010 11:29 AM
Rather than dealing with disputes on a case-by-case basis, the TIO ought come out with rules which define unconscionable conduct. One such rule (given poor consumer understanding of data usage) ought be that the maximum any telco/ISP can charge a user is 130% of the amount which would be owing if the user had a priori chosen the most cost-effective plan available from that supplier for their needs/usage (as retrospectively understood). This would put a 'clear cap' on predatory behaviour. It would still encourage people to select the most appropriate plan up-front, yet it would address the situations where people claim "Had they told me (in time) I would clearly have switched to a more appropriate plan."

You never fix this type of unconscionable conduct on a case-by-case review of the most eggregious examples, but rather by adding some reasonable consumer protection measures into a situation where people do not have up-to-the-minute information on their usage, nor the variety of plans in front of them for reconsideration at any given time. In a situation where a consumer has no idea of the maximum possible bill, it is quite reasonable to put 'worst case' re-selection of plan down as a statutory requirement.
nate.cochrane
Apr 9, 2010 2:32 PM
In my experience as a consumer the TIO was reluctant to step in to resolve issues with my ISP that were clearly within its remit. Ombudsman schemes are not run by the Government but are funded by their members, the very people an ombudsman is set up to regulate.
Mordd
Apr 10, 2010 10:27 AM
Amazing how little people understand about the TIO and how wrong most of you are in how it works, etc.... In your experience Nate, is that 1 single time and thats all? And of course Graeme the expert here could fix all the problems in the TIO with a wave of his magic wand.

I'd crticise the bullS**t in the commments itself but theres so much here its not worth wasting the time, suffice to say you all need to go read www.tio.com.au again though.
dalboz
Apr 10, 2010 10:43 AM
unless the isp is at fault i have no sympathy for users who don't check usage. these are the kind of people who leave the telstra bill sitting on the table until their internet goes off. then they open it. they wouldn't even know a real ISP like internode or iinet if it slapped them across the face.
anonymous
Apr 10, 2010 2:33 PM

@Mordd "...how wrong most of you are in how [TIO] works..."

An issue here is not so much the minutiae of how TIO works, but whether the fact that it is an industry ADR scheme, with every member of the board appointed by industry, has some effect on the organisation.

The low limits on the amounts that TIO can deal with, and the fact that it is many years since they were changed, suggests that more objective appraisal may be required. A statutory ombudsman scheme that was independent of industry would seem to possibly offer a lesser perception of influence and an improvement in the reaction time to changing circumstances, among other things.
FrankJackson
Apr 10, 2010 11:04 PM
I still dont know how the phone companies can get away with this though. I sometimes think I am the only one that finds it totally out of whack - everyone else just seems to accept that paying 1cent per kilo-byte is OK. (sounds cheap). 1cent per kb = 1000cents per mb = 1000,000 cents per GB (using 1000 here not 1024). thats a whopping $10k per Gig ... if you pre-pay it you get that for $15. Hmmmm ... something sounds out of balance here.

Still think everyone should take care of their own usage - but knocking up a $20K bill is not that hard if you dont know!
IanCognito
Apr 11, 2010 9:16 AM
everybody knows that telco's systems are deliberately set up to make such errors in their own favour because it is profitable. they will continue to do so until it is not profitable. if penalties or interest were charged on against the errors of telco's just as they are on consumers it would not only be equitable but, if done right, it was solve the problem overnight.
Bluey Zarsoff
Apr 11, 2010 2:28 PM
The TIO can't do anything anyway they are just public servants trying to justify their useless existance, I say Peter Garrett should be made the Communications Minister The rich get richer the poor get the picture !
Digger11
Apr 12, 2010 8:30 AM
The TIO has become a defacto "Level 2" customer service for most of the ISP's that provide woeful underetrained/underskilled customer support.

I have used the TIO about 5 times to deal with the incompetent overseas based call centre (in Sth Africa I think) and won every time. I even tell the Team Leader of the ISP that I am going to call the TIO so they may as well solve my issue now - but they are so incompetent that just let me ring the TIO "that it your option to call the TIO sir".

Most recently, I was charged over %50 excess usage on my Internet plan, but my online usage meter (on the ISP's web site) showed I did not go over my allowance. Upon calling the ISP, all they could tell me was that the online meter was out by one day and did not align perfectly with my plan period !!!!!
Upon me pointing out that this was their fault and not mine, they tried to tell me that this was MY FAULT as I should know what the start and finish dates for my billing cycle were !!!!
Both the call centre drone and the TL insisted it was my fault (quite rudely mind you).
So a 3 minute call to the TIO and I got my $50 back.

So we do need the TIO - no matter how public servicey they may appear.
Johnny
Apr 12, 2010 10:10 AM
they should never have allowed ISP's etc to 'charge over' like they have done.

$150/gb excess fees from telstra for example.

Mordd
Apr 12, 2010 4:00 PM
Who is "they" Johnny? The statutory body the TIO who are NOT a government department and do not set legislation, or the government itself?

This is what I was alluding to, most people don't even understand the structure of how the TIO was setup, what authority they have to do what and how they operate.

Fact is without the TIO there are tens of thousands of customers every year that would not get helped to stop their ISP or Telco provider screwing them over, they do an excellent service and anyone who says otherwise has their head up their a**.
Digger11
Apr 13, 2010 8:30 AM
Mordd, unbelievably, and for the first time this millenium, I agree with you.
Mordd
Apr 13, 2010 1:47 PM
Heh, was bound to happen at least once a decade i guess Digger11 :P Knowing someone who works there helps in understanding how the TIO works though.

I will say the government should do more to make people aware of their ability to complain to the TIO and I would even support them being given broader powers. What most people don't realise is that in a TIO complaint the obligation is on the company complained about to prove they didn't do the wrong thing, the onus is not on the complainant(sic?) to prove the company did the wrong thing.

What Graeme and others need to understand though is that the TIO is not a body like the National Crime Authority for example and should never be made to define rules like unconscionable conduct, if anything that is what the ACCC is there for, not the TIO. What is needed is greater clarity around what the TIO actually is definitely though.
anonymous
Apr 13, 2010 3:41 PM

Ah, it's good to see love is in the air and there has been an outbreak of furious agreement. Great while it lasts, anyway. . .

And without wanting to disturb the peace, Mordd, the TIO is not a statutory body but an industry established ADR scheme. They could use some more public awareness, and probably some wider powers as well, but it is unlikely that the industry would necessarily approve those things.

Mordd
Apr 15, 2010 1:17 PM
Ok anom if you want to get really specific you are right, however I don't buy that this prevents giving them more authority by giving them a couple of statutory powers without making them an enforcement agency as such.
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