Legal experts expect appeal in iiNet judgement

 

ISP lawyers speak about the ramifications.

Lawyers have predicted that the film industry would appeal its Federal Court loss to ISP iiNet - if only to press the case for Government intervention in the battle against piracy.

The lawyers from Australia’s top technology legal firms also praised Justice Dennis Cowdroy for a judgement that was wider than required by the case, including a ruling on whether iiNet's repeat infringer policy was enough to grant it safe harbour under the Copyright Act.

The legal term for this type of ruling is ‘obiter’, according to legal blogger Andrew Calvin.

“A decision didn’t need to be made in this particular case on this point, but it remains instructive,” Calvin noted.

Peter Moon, partner of telecommunications and IT at Logie-Smith Lanyon, agreed the extra rulings “would be very influential” to future copyright cases. But he said that judges weren’t obliged to follow them as they were “not part of the [official] ruling”.

But the widened scope could provide the film industry grounds for an appeal.

“I think the judge has taken a bold point of view,” Moon said.

“He’s basically said that he’s not going to shirk the opportunity to say some things. He’s done a good thing getting the issues out there and going beyond [what he] strictly had to do.

“[But] there could be problems with the judgement and appeal points.”

An appeal would likely be over points of law rather than fact, said Erhan Karabardak, a director of Cooper Mills Lawyers.

“There’s a lot at stake for the movie industry and I suspect they will probably appeal. But of course appeals are generally on the basis of points of law, not fact,” Karabardak said.

“If you don’t like what a judge has said on a matter of fact, it’s typically not appealed.”

Moon said judges who wanted to prevent an appeal usually did so by making “very strong findings on disputed facts”. But he said there were “very few disputed facts in this case”.

Other lawyers iTnews spoke to said in some cases, judgements were “written for an appeal court” but there was no indication that the iiNet judgement was written up in this way.

“I’m not sure there’s anything [Justice Cowdroy] can do to protect his judgement against appeal,” Moon said.

“I think what he has done is taken the risk of being upset at appeal. He has not shied away from expressing a clear and firm view. He has said to an appeal court ‘If I’m wrong, I’m very wrong’. In a case like this that’s very helpful.”

But Moon said that “if an appeal courts wants to do damage to [the ruling], it will knock over the whole judgement”.

Appeal likely

Moon believed part of the reason the film industry would appeal was because the cost of doing so was a fraction of what it spent on the trial.

“There’s very little financial disincentive for the film industry not to have a shot at it - but I think the judgement will probably stand,” he said.

More importantly, he said an appeal was “extremely likely” because the film industry would need to prove it had exhausted available legal remedies before it appealed to the Federal Government seeking laws to block copyright infringement.

“But win, lose or draw today or on appeal, I reckon iiNet absolutely deserved their day in the sun. They fought a very potent and well prepared adversary,” Moon said.

Like Moon, lawyer Brendan Scott said the outcome of an appeal would “not be favourable” to the film industry.

“It will come, of course, because it is always worth it for rentiers to waste the public’s resources squeezing for every last inch, because every inch means many times more money that they can squeeze from the public,” he said in a blog post.

He defined a rentier as a holder of statutory exclusive rights.

Government intervention

Freehills technology partner Tony Joyner said it was "back to the drawing board" for the film industry.

"And you know what their first port of call will be? To call Senator Conroy and ask him to change the law," he said.

"The consequence of this decision is that the Government will have to change the law."

The film studios, the Government and even iiNet chief executive officer Michael Malone acknowledge that "rampant" file sharing is a problem, Joyner said. For clarity, he expected that even the ISPs wouldn't mind if the Government fixed the problem through legislation.

He said Conroy will be expected to legislate to create a system that was able to establish that if a person was breaking the law by downloading content illicitly, it was "recognised by a legal authority" that the ISP would be able to terminate the customer's account.

"There needs to be consequences for illegal file sharing - whether it be your termination being connected or being fined," he said.


Legal experts expect appeal in iiNet judgement
""There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the ..."
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Comments: 7
GeordieGuy
Feb 5, 2010 9:23 AM
You would expect a technology partner at Freehills to know that file sharing on the scale involved in the iiNet case is not illegal (rather it is a civil matter), and there ARE consequences if copyright owners choose to pursue them.

Scengy
Feb 5, 2010 1:02 PM
I'm curious, and tonight I'll read the fine print at the start of one of my DVD's properly, but I was under the impression that it was the act of _sharing_ the copyright content that was the issue? (ie: if you've purchased a DVD and then make it available for 'distribution' then you're committing the offence)

Just curiosity - I just feel that the overwhelming message delivered by those 'warning' notices is that it's the distribution, not the possession, that's the issue.

Some thoughts below - and bear in mind I'm not endorsing 'illegal' file sharing, but I can see issues, that if they don't exist currently would be quickly created, that would allow bypassing of 'detection' and give people loopholes to slip through. Which would lead me to: what's the point trying to get 'anonymous' IP addresses when if the likes of AFACT really wanted to stamp it out they'd be more aggressive about getting torrent tracker sites taken down, lobby for the dissolution of nntp and buy rapidshare.

If it _is_ a breach of copyright to download (distinct from uploading) material, what's the deal if the person downloading has a physical copy that they've purchased. Isn't there provision now for 'backups'? I'm not aware of there being conditions where the backup must be made directly _from_ the source, but just be a _copy_ of the source. Wouldn't investigators or the agents (ISP's if they become forced to) handing out infringement notices have to take reasonable steps to make sure people didn't have a right to obtain a 'backup' copy?

If somebody commences a torrent download, but doesn't complete the download, have they actually breached copyright?

If someone downloads part1 of a movie from one source and part2 from another, how do investigators pick up on this? My guess is they wouldn't, my guess on the question directly above as well is that though there's intent they actually haven't 'infringed' copyright, wouldn't these 'pirate' distributors simply create a network of disparate sources to share from so that it becomes nigh impossible for investigators to definitively state "ip x was sharing the whole of media y from z"?

If 'torrents' are choked by legislation and mandated ISP action, wont premium newsgroup subscriptions just rise?

We know the answer to all this is simply that groups like AFACT, RIAA MPAA etc are getting frustrated trying to take down torrent sites, frustrated trying to target individuals, operate under an absolute (and in my opinion misguided) belief that all the pirates would suddenly start buying everything if torrents were unavailable, and are just trying another tack.

The ISP's shouldn't be police, in the same way VicRoads (or applicable state bodies) aren't police. If a vehicle number plate is recorded as being involved in an bank robbery the bank reports it to the police, the police investigate, and when required the police look through vehicle registration details to try and further identify suspects. The banks do _not_ go _direct_ to VicRoads and say "hey, could you send a dirty letter to the owner of vehicle abc-123".

Get back to suing websites who _do_ facilitate this 'illegal' file sharing AFACT, and stop wasting everyone's time trying to get ISP's to change the way they deal with clients because at some point their customers _may_ infringe a copyright. It is known without doubt or argument that newsgroups and the likes of rapidshare are a 0 hour release point for file sharing, please target them and get off the backs of everyone else.

I'll cop to something here: I downloaded the Firefly series once upon a time. It was 2 years after it _finished_ airing in the US. It had _never_ aired in Australia. I subsequently went and purchased it and then spent some good money at the cinema seeing the followup film. All cash the 'industry' wouldn't have gotten without some good old sharing. I sure as hell wouldn't have purchased a DVD boxset of a cancelled tv show on a 'whim'.

I also wonder: where were the studios when I purchased my twin-deck stereo in '86? The _only_ use for a twin-deck mini-hifi with synchro recording was for duplicating tapes.

/rant
Ace
Feb 5, 2010 1:44 PM
I believe copyright applies to ALL the film, so even having illegitimately downloaded a small chunk of it, it would be illegal. I suspect the studios could sue for illegal distribution of film trailers. But they don't, because it would defeat the benefit gained through their 'rampant' distribution.

Having said that, the law appears to talk about a copyright breach when a "substantial part" of the material is copied.

TV/media outlets in Australia have some kind of protection that allows them to re-broadcast others material without being sued, provided it is less than a certain number of seconds. Channel 9 had a go at Channel Ten over this issue: http://tinyurl.com/yg4yyg2
Scengy
Feb 5, 2010 1:58 PM
@Ace "I believe copyright applies to ALL the film, so even having illegitimately downloaded a small chunk of it, it would be illegal."

Fair enough, but what if the 'chunk' downloaded is 'unwatchable'. Looking at what comprises these torrents they're often broken into multi-part archives, which on their own can sometimes be 'played', but wouldn't torrent distributors just evolve and engineer a torrent client app that downloads most, but not all (until the last moment), of each part of the archive so that no individual 'chunk' is actually playable as a media file?

And where distribution is of single file non-archive media, it wouldn't be playable unless complete. Maybe if the file was downloaded in a linear fashion (ie: sequentially from the start of the file), but having watched a torrent in progress the 'pieces' are typically received in a non-sequential fashion.

It's all an academic curiosity. The 'history' of file sharing is littered with distribution methods that became compromised and fell by the wayside to industry litigation and law enforcement. Napster, Kazaa, eMule, FTP, BBS: they've all had their 'day in the sun', and whilst some still exist (people do still distribute via ftp, it's just less common), my point is that if one dies another rises to take it's place. Currently the title holder of Champ is held by 'torrents'. If torrents are effectively killed something else will come along to just dance on it's grave. And I just can't believe that NNTP is _still_ kicking. That the one binary sharing service that just doesn't seem to have taken a hit at all.
zag
Feb 5, 2010 3:25 PM
@Scengy "If it _is_ a breach of copyright to download (distinct from uploading) material, what's the deal if the person downloading has a physical copy that they've purchased. Isn't there provision now for 'backups'?"

Doesn't matter as you need to pay for all the copies you want to own, so buying a DVD and then copying it to a file so you can put it onto a IPod is theft as well.

Copyright law allows you can have a 5 or 15 second clip of a copyright item without branding you as thieving it.

though under copyright law, if you pay for a copyright item, it doesn't give you any right to actually view what you paid for, that disclaimer is on the back of everything.

Not all old time file sharing has gone away, out of your list Napster is still around but has become a pay service from the studios themselves.

The major problem for the record companies is they turn into a content provider and lose out on the distro side completely if they let file sharing to happen.

See currently they sign the artist pay for everything, then pay for studio time, then pay for CD production then pay for AD time and Distro of CD etc then once the money comes in the record company gets everything, it's only on the second CD does an artist make any money.

With file sharing record companies, would just be signing up an artist do the studio time and then hand out the distro side to everyone else, and money will only trackle back and you can't grab all the money like you could before.

And what happens if an artist signs up but pays for their own studio time and then hands out the recording to file sharing them selves the record company makes very little if anything it's more or less just a moniker attached to an artist.

Scengy
Feb 5, 2010 4:05 PM
heh, let me just say this then: when studios allow 'unviewed master storage with viewable backup' policies to apply to their copyright goods I'll be a happy camper. Got toddlers? Sick of replacing DVD's? Me!

Once I'd spent $80 replacing (twice) the Brother Bear DVD that the 2 year old though it was fun to skate across the carpet on the disk I went to ripping my media to a hard drive media pc and storing the CD/DVD's safely. I feel no guilt over this, though it's against copyright policy. Optical media is just too damn sensitive.

In VCR days it was a risk of the tape being pulled out (which was a minor risk, and could often be 'fixed). But I've seen VCR tapes survive washing machines, being used as soccer ball etc
Lamby
Feb 5, 2010 10:27 PM
"There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with guaranteeing such a profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is supported by neither statute or common law. Neither corporations or individuals have the right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back."

- Robert Heinlein, Life Line, 1939
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