"Heavy-handed" filter won't help, says Google

 

Slams Conroy's filter plans.

Iarla Flynn, a member of the policy team at Google Australia, has raised concerns with the Federal Government's plans to introduce a mandatory filtering regime for ISPs.

"Our primary concern is that the scope of content to be filtered is too wide," said Flynn, in a blog posting. "While we recognise that protecting the free exchange of ideas and information cannot be without some limits, we believe that more information generally means more choice, more freedom and ultimately more power for the individual."

Flynn agreed that child pornography was "obvious" material to block, but said moving to a mandatory ISP filtering regime with a scope that went "well beyond such material" was "heavy handed" and could raise "genuine questions about restrictions on access to information"

Referred to in the posting was a report released Wednesday by Professors Catharine Lumby, Lelia Green and John Hartley entitled Untangling The Net: The Scope of Content Caught By Mandatory Internet Filtering.

The report found that a wide scope of content could be prohibited under the proposed filtering regime, Flynn said.

"Refused Classification (or RC) is a broad category of content that includes not just child sexual abuse material but also socially and politically controversial material -- for example, educational content on safer drug use -- as well as the grey realms of material instructing in any crime, including politically controversial crimes such as euthanasia.

"This type of content may be unpleasant and unpalatable but we believe that government should not have the right to block information which can inform debate of controversial issues."

"We should all retain focus on making the Internet safer for people of all ages.

"Our view is that online safety should focus on user education, user empowerment through technology tools ... and cooperation between law enforcement and industry partners."

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"Heavy-handed" filter won't help, says Google
"@block: also agreed, and I do not think that Google wnats to specifically that. They do though have an incredibly powerful internet user profiling engine and apps suite, that does pinpoint the ..."
By Maxxi
 
 
 
Comments: 11
Mordd
Dec 16, 2009 8:48 PM
GetUp is running a campaign to raise awareness about the filter legislation and to utilise people power to try and stop the legislation from being passed. I would highly recommended everyone signup here:

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442

Then use GetUps tool to send an email alert to everyone you know to bring this to their attention. This is no longer just an issue for techies, activists or journalists, this is now an issue that every net user in Australia needs to be aware of!
Maxxi
Dec 18, 2009 8:58 AM
Google is one of the biggest, if not the outright winner as the most massive distribution facility for porn on the web...

Hugely useful and powerful for many applications, it is still a major porn distribution site.

Any statements from Google must be seen in light of this aspect, especially when they have what, 200 billion webpages indexed, and state that a filter of 10,000 is a scope issue?
Sams
Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM
Maxi: "Google is one of the biggest, if not the outright winner as the most massive distribution facility for porn on the web..."

I guess Conroy is planning to blacklist Google too then? Obviously not, since Google is not "distributing" anything. If Google's search service points you to a site that you can't access, Google doesn't care.
Slatts
Dec 19, 2009 6:31 PM

Maxxi wrote:
Google is one of the biggest, if not the outright winner as the most massive distribution facility for porn on the web...


Microsoft will be trying to take that title away from them with Bing.

It sounds like an extension of the iinet / afact thing with the search engine just being a portal for the searchers queries.
Maxxi
Dec 19, 2009 8:36 PM
Nah Sams, Conroy is not even thinking of blacklisting non-RC porn at all. Split hairs on the definition of distribution as you will Sams, more people access more porn via Google than any other facility on the web...

I am not commenting on whether it is good or bad, just the simple facts that it is so.

And Google has a strong commercial interest to keep it that way mate... We need to keep that in mind when Google comments on whether a move by a national government somewhere is a good move, especially from an entity that does not have the balls to say the same to the Chinese government...

hmmmmmm....?????

And just for you mate...

lol...
Maxxi
Dec 19, 2009 8:44 PM
Agreed Slatts, Microsoft will be pulling out all stops to get that valuable eyeball time from the internet masses.

And agreed on the related copyright issues, Google wants to sit on the fence and claim they are just responding to search's...

The issue at hand is that Google very often then delivers the content via the portal, making it the broadcaster or delivery medium, thus bringing up a level of accountability...

Under Australian law, if you assist someone to find and identify stolen or illegally appropriated goods (incl. content), knowing that they will then potentially misappropriate that property, then you are an accessory.

Google will never in their life be able to argue that they did not know anyone used Google to search for and find copyrighted material with a view to appropriation....

It will get interesting...
Bourkie
Dec 21, 2009 5:04 PM
Maxxi wrote: '200 billion webpages indexed'

I thought they passed a trillion URLs a few months back?
Bourkie
Dec 21, 2009 5:06 PM
Google searches alone reveal many, many millions of URLs that fall within the RC categories.

No filter can cope with a blacklist that size, let alone the staff at ACMA lol!

ACMA often takes 6 months to classify one (1) single URL... how would they ever cope with millions in a year?!
Maxxi
Dec 21, 2009 5:57 PM
So many numbers quoted, looks like I got a wrong one... Agreed Bourkie, Google is claiming 1 trillion URLs indexed.

It would be interesting to see how many of those (%%) are URLs off dynamic or transient database "pages" (fields often) that have passed through their systems for indexing...

In any case a BIG number. The power of Google...

The process will determine the size of the blacklist, and I am sure that will also react to any disruption campaigns from folks wanting to become the "Anonymous ACMA Hackers..." (submitting masses of URLs for checking)

This will probably lead to a validation process for submitters.

At 6 months per URL, they must have needed around 650 years to create the current list? lol

The URLs need to be classified RC before they will be drawn into the blacklist consideration...
block
Dec 21, 2009 6:21 PM
@Maxxi - you are right, Google won't be able to say that they don't thank anyone will use their product to find illegal content. Would they be able to identify a single user with that intention? I doubt so.

Same argument has been raised before. Do main roads know their roads are being used for illegal activity? Yes. Could they point me to a list of all of them? No.
Maxxi
Dec 21, 2009 7:08 PM
@block: also agreed, and I do not think that Google wnats to specifically that.

They do though have an incredibly powerful internet user profiling engine and apps suite, that does pinpoint the user surfing habits of untoold millions of surfers...

They are not alone and the marketers, SOA specialists, cookie writers et al all pursue the dream of individual surfer profiling...

I think we will be surprised just how much data Google can cross-reference and just how much of it they do...
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