Telstra split bill 'one vote short'

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Telstra split bill 'one vote short'
"@scan06disk - have you lived in Japan? Japan has 60% of its households on broadband (FTTH, ADSL and cable) in 337,000 sq km. Australia has a higher proportion of its households on broadband ..."
By mick09
 

Fielding holds the cards.

Australia's minor political parties appear likely to support the Federal Government's plan to split Telstra, with key supporters of the legislation telling iTnews that Communications Minister Senator Conroy is just 'one vote short' of forming a majority on the bill.

The Government requires the support of Greens Senator Scott Ludlam, Family First Senator Steve Fielding and independent Senator Nick Xenophon after the Coalition announced it would oppose the bill this year.

The Greens have expressed some conditional support for a split of Telstra - compelling the Government to consider amendments such as a broadening of the definition of a 'Standard Telephone Service' to a wider array of services, protection of Telstra workers, and a review of the Trade Practices Act to ensure that small businesses are in no way hampered by the legislation.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon has voiced similar concerns.

Xenophon told iTnews that after meetings with Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and the industry, he is convinced of the need to act on telecommunications regulation without delay - with caveats around ensuring equality of services in regional Australia.

Xenophon said he is working - albeit with limited resources - to promote amendments to the bill.

"I think the issue of structural separation should be seen as distinct from the issue of the NBN," he told iTnews. "This is an opportunity to maximise the benefits for consumers by opening up competition. We need a much more level playing field in this industry."

But, like Greens Senator Scott Ludlam, his support is strictly conditional.

"It is important that there be safeguards to ensure regional Australia doesn't miss out on this opportunity," he said. "We need a framework that is genuinely robust, that locks in competition in the long term, rather than just seeking the means to push this thing through. You don't want a situation where you get rid of one monopoly and entrench another."

Xenophon told iTnews that there is time yet to work through amendments to the legislation - provided his team and the industry "work quickly" to produce an outcome satisfactory to the Government, the industry, and the other minor parties.

One vote short

Should Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce maintain his position, and amendments suggested by Ludlam and Xenophon be accepted by the Government, the ball will be firmly in the court of Family First Senator Steve Fielding.

A spokesperson for Fielding said that the Senator is still in negotiations with the Government.

While he is "yet to finalise a position on the bill", Fielding initially expressed concerns for Telstra shareholders and remains wary of the possibility that "the legislation is a gun being held at Telstra's head".

"We are not looking to delay this legislation," the spokesperson said, "but remove that gun so that good faith negotiations between Telstra and the Government can take their course."

Senator Fielding's office has since contacted iTnews to clarify the Senator's position, stating that he is "happy to have the debate over whether the bill should be delayed."

Should the amendments proposed by Ludlam and Xenophon be rejected, or Fielding choose to side with the Opposition, Conroy's next port of call will be to work on Joyce in the new year.

Joyce has previously said he wishes to delay the legislation until February 2010.


 
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rollerdoor
Nov 10, 2009 3:58 PM
How can the country progress while we have to rely on this jerk making a sensible decision?
singo79
Nov 10, 2009 4:15 PM
I just love how sensitive Steven Fielding is towards Telstra, how concerned he is that this legislation is just like "... a gun being held at Telstra's head". What about the way Telstra has treated the Australian public for all of these years and the way that Telstra effectively used its market dominance to slap the previous Howard Government in the face! Of course the Howard Government got what was coming to it, after all they were the ones that fully privatised Telstra and lost all control over the company, therefore they deserved the slap in the face. But enough is enough! It is time that Telstra was shown who is the boss and I must say that it isn’t them.

I'm afraid that I don't hold the same concern as that of Steve Fielding. This guy sounds like a real tree hugger who is out to get as much political mileage out of this incident as he can.

The Family First Party is nothing but a joke anyway. At least the Australia First Party appeared to have a clear set of political goals, what does the Family First Party stand for? We know nothing about this party as they are almost non-existent and here they are trying to through their weight around on a topic as important as the NBN.

Honestly, I can't wait for this clown to be voted out at the next election.
mm
Nov 10, 2009 4:41 PM
I hope Fielding read the last comment....because there are 1.4M Telstra shareholders and if he votes for the split then those 1.4M voters will help evict him at the next election. There is a lot of court cases to go through before this one is done.

And regarding the NBN, the government can't do it without Telsta, and that will require approval of the Telstra shareholders. So the government can rant and rave all they like, but the same 1.4M shareholders will have to approve the sale of their network to the NBNco...and it will need to be at a good price.
mm
Nov 10, 2009 4:42 PM
And one other thing... Conroy is the clown that needs to go at the next election
scan06disk
Nov 10, 2009 5:18 PM
I dnt get it... is this post saying that the bill is likely to be passed or does it depend on the Greens and FFP now, to finalize the bill ? :S
Ianola
Nov 10, 2009 5:20 PM
At least the independents are giving the bill due consideration. The Liberal party is the real culprit. The way they are at the moment their party room couldn't even decide on the best way to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
TruthSphere
Nov 10, 2009 8:00 PM
Family First party are scum who will hopefully disappear next election. Straight off their web site "Family First will work to achieve Government commitment to establish a
Mandatory Filtering Scheme at the ISP Server Level in this country."
TruthSphere
Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM
Dangerous man, dangerous party...
DazzaJ
Nov 10, 2009 8:16 PM
Its good to see a government which has finally got the guts to stand up to Telstra and its evil ways. Their monopoloy and greed has put Australia well behind the rest of the developed world in regards to internet and telecommunication services.
I only hope that the likes of Xenophon and friends, put the country first, before their own self promoting agendas.
listohan
Nov 10, 2009 10:14 PM
Many people, myself included, thought poor internet service was confined to the regions. But we have friends who live across the street from a Sydney suburban station, and they have to rely on a slow satellite connection!

I’m a Telstra shareholder and would love to see them get out of the way and let this country enter the 20th century.
BrettWinterford
Nov 10, 2009 10:25 PM
@scan06disk - my point is, I believe Xenophon and Ludlam will get their way. Whether Fielding does determines whether the bill passes as it is now. But either way, some version of this bill is likely to pass in 2010, should Senator Joyce be assured of checks and balances for regional Australia.
mick09
Nov 10, 2009 11:31 PM
@rollerdoor - "jerk"
@singo79 - "sensitive", "slap in the face", "clown (Fielding)"
@mm - "rant and rave", "clown (Conroy)"
@lanola - "culprit", "wet paper bag"
@TruthSphere - "scum", "dangerous man, dangerous party"
@DazzaJ - "guts", "evil ways", "self-promoting agendas"
@listohan - "enter the 20th century"

What a pathetic testament to fear and loathing. Such was the mentality of Hitler's brown-shirts. So this is to be Australia's "Kristallnacht" with Telstra as the scapegoat for the $43,000,000,000 fraud that is the NBN Mk2.

@TruthSphere (nice Orwellian moniker) - Conroy and the ALP created the Mandatory Filtering Scheme.
@listohan - many people, myself included, are well into the 21st century, as is Telstra.

The (monolopy) King (Telstra) is dead. Long live the (monopoly) King (NBNCo).
scan06disk
Nov 11, 2009 4:09 AM
@mick09

If your saying Telstra themselves are amongst the 21st Century leaders, then your right... they own and operate 21st century equipment..., but whats the use if they can't provide 21st century equivalent services ?, in-turn we're paying top dollar for their expensive equipment with no benefits ? whats the point ?

We all feel we're being ripped off ! Nothing has changed in the past decade or so...., when will we progress ??? They have the resources and the money, but what have they done so far, except create a massive monopoly and cash in on everything and everyone... ?!

The hiked up prices, the lack of interest towards its customers and the snail pace at which they are improving services, clearly out-weights anything and everything good they've ever done.... !
mick09
Nov 11, 2009 8:10 AM
@scan06disk - fair comment, that's your opinion. Plagiarizing the words of the Bard, "I come to bury Telstra, not to praise it."

Telstra grew out of a Public Service bureaucracy, and in some ways, maybe, never grew up. NBNCo is a bastard child of the same bureaucracy with $43,000,000,000 of pocket money and no concept of fiscal responsibility. Only the stunningly naive could hope for any better performance from NBNCo. I know the bleet is that it will be privatized after (8 + 5) years. Rupert Murdoch clarified what that might cost two days ago.

Only real competition between Telstra and NBNCo might deliver some results, but beware the cosy duopoly.
TruthSphere
Nov 11, 2009 9:28 AM
@mick09

And you think I like what that conservative prick Conroy is doing? I'm sure in order to get something passed that Conroy Scum had to make some dirty deals with this Family First scum....funny how mandatory filtering wasn't part of ALP's agenda before this all came about but it was always part of Family First's.
Bob
Nov 11, 2009 9:50 AM
World Telecommuncations Awards 2009 - Telstra finalists in 4 categories. http://www.totaltele.com/show.aspx?i=865
Perhaps a lot of politicians need to wake up. Telstra has the best products in the world. For some reason we have a government (from both sides) that prefer foreign ineptitude to Australian success and that is what is holding us back.
BrettWinterford
Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM
@Bob - Considering Australia's market share and cash reserves, it would want to win some awards! Don't know that your point is valid!
Bob
Nov 11, 2009 12:41 PM
@Brett. Australia is a small market. Read this to bottom.
http://www.hkcsl.com/en/about_us/corporate_profile.jsp

Hong Kong, China, UK and the US are better places for Aussie companies and Australia loses.
anonymous
Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM
@Bob x2: It all depends what you mean in this context by Australian success. Telstra certainly does not have the best products in the world, but it is a world leader in holding back tech advances and screwing the customers on pricing because it can.

To date the big monopolist has been getting away with behaviour here that would never be allowed or tolerated in Hong Kong, China, UK and the US.
Bob
Nov 11, 2009 1:39 PM
@anonymous. Type "worlds fastest mobile broadband" into Google or pick check the Guiness Book. China doesn't tolerate monopolies, .... really? There is no monopoly in Australia. The market is completely deregulated. If you have capability it's open slather. If you don't, demand the government subsidise you and introduce laws to stop those that are successful.
mm
Nov 11, 2009 5:17 PM
The government sold off Telstra for many billions of dollars....but now they want it back again. Well they will now have to pay billions of dollars to get it back from the new owners...the Telstra shareholders. Or get lost and build their own. Don't blame the NBN mess on Telstra...blame it on Conroy & Co and an inept governemt who have devised an NBN plan on the back of a beer coaster and then expect private enterprise to give them the pieces at discount prices....no way.
scan06disk
Nov 11, 2009 5:51 PM
We are not trying to "bury" Telstra. Ofcourse Telstra needs to be bought as a fair price("billions"), but i am quite unsure as to what would happen after that ?? LOL



singo79
Nov 12, 2009 3:27 PM
There have been some very interesting and varied viewpoints here and I agree with some and not so much with others.

@scan06disk - I totally agree, Telstra are a 21st Century company but with a 19th Century business model and attitude.

No one would be on here going on about this had Telstra acted in a Fair and Reasonable manner. I don't agree with those people saying that competition will sort the problem out, as it has not always worked. Just look at how corrupt and deceptive Telstra were upon the arrival of Optus into the market. Telstra execs ordered their wholesale division to supply all necessary data surrounding Optus's network statistics and give it to Telstra's retail division to directly compete against and run Optus out of the market.

This just goes to show the malice company that is Telstra and prove that they don't want competition, they want a monopoly where they control the assets, prices and who gets access to what.

Telstra can never be trusted to operate openly and in the best interest of consumers and the market. It is interesting to note that Telstra, even armed with Optus's usage and network statistics, couldn't even run them out of the market, most likely because they were still dearer then Optus as they are just too greedy and out of touch with the market. That is clear just by checking out the prices to access ADSL Broadband services in Australia. Telstra sell wholesale access to third party providers for a higher price then they sell it to their own Bigpond division, yet Bigpond are the dearest ISP on the market!

All of this aside, Telstra can't be relied upon to adequately service the Australian market anyway. For example, the only investment in advancing their infrastructure to next generation technology is limited to Sydney and Melbourne, with some minor investment in Brisbane.

There is the matter of regional and rural customers where no investment in advanced technology is even contemplated. It is quite clear that Fibre-Optic is the next generation in high-speed broadband technology, yet Telstra still rely ultimately on their Copper network to service these areas, with no ideation of even looking at fibre for these areas.

People will come here and say that Telstra have heavily invested in Wireless Broadband technology which covers a huge portion of Australia. I say to them that they have also heavily geared the pricing to the upper end of the scale for you to access their network, which operates on burst technology btw. I might not have so much of a problem if you could stream at the speeds Telstra claims their network to run at, but it doesn't, therefore you get a short burst of data then you wait, you get a short burst of data and then you wait. This is not acceptable, in my opinion anyway.

So those people who come on here and say that Telstra are doing the right thing, that they are investing in next generation technology, that they are operating in an open and fair market, that no monopoly exists and that their competitors need to invest more themselves I say the facts just aren't there.

Unfortunately this all stems from the Howard Government. The Howard Liberal Government had over a decade to sort Telstra out whilst they still owned the controlling share, but they didn't. Their inept ability to look into the future to address future trends and markets has put us in the situation we are in today. If countries like Korea and Japan could do it, then there is no reason why our Government couldn't have watched them and taken that on board a lot earlier then they are now doing.
scan06disk
Nov 12, 2009 6:23 PM
@singo79

Nicely said mate ! lol

Yea look at Japan, they make Australian Internet look like "Dial up" ! LMAO

Quote: "In 2004, Japan had the best cost to performance ADSL service in the world (50 Mbit/s, 35US$) which it held on to in the successive years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Japan

Now, think about how we're fairing.... ;)
scan06disk
Nov 12, 2009 6:36 PM
Oh did i mention they have "a 1 Gbit/s FTTH service at 8700yen (90US$)." ! LOL
mick09
Nov 13, 2009 8:41 AM
Ummmm, dare I comment, this has turned into such a love-fest.

@scan06disk from "internet_in_Japan":

"The unique problem facing Japan's broadband situation is due to the popularity of high-speed FTTH ... the largest operators have capacities in the region of tens of gigabits while customers with gigabit FTTH services (or higher) may number in the thousands"

Sort of like giving every customer a free Ferrari, then imposing a 60 Km/hr speed limit on freeways - and allowing service stations to open only between midnight and 6 am.

Not likely to happen in Australia? Try feeding 1 or 2 Gbps of bandwidth down a single GPON fibre shared by 64 or 128 FTTH premises. You want upload too? Sorry, we'll try to slot that in between the late night movies, just bear with us.

@singo79 - "burst technology" vs "streaming"?
"the fastest mobile network in the world" vs "political slogans about the slowest GPON vaporware in the world".

Come off it, cobber. This is a technical magazine (ITnews) - if you don't know how GPON works, go get yourself an endoscope, run it by 128 orifices, and try to upload an MP3 tune all at the same time.

Finally the always pathetic attempts to blame it all on "the Howard Government". Privatization of Telstra was a joint venture of a series of Australian governments of all colors, going back to at least Keating and Beasley in the 90's. NBN Mk2 is unique, invented by Rudd and Conroy.

Any old tosh, any old tosh, of course Australia also has had FTTH for some time now - available from a variety of vendors - http://www.internode.on.net/pdf/products/home-fibre-pricelist.pdf
Bob
Nov 13, 2009 10:20 AM
Comparisons to Japan are fairly irrelevant. 128 Million people in 337,000 Sq Km or about 10 times the size of our largest cattle station.

If Telstra was allowed to put in a fixed network and didn't have to give it away at stupid prices set by others, then it would and we would have had FTTH ten years ago. Change the law and change Australia.
fphhotchips
Nov 13, 2009 3:35 PM
To be honest, I am not a Telstra Shareholder, but my parents are.

I completely favour a national FTTH network, built by our government, even if it creates huge debt. Then, run it as a government owned wholesale provider. Sure, we have 42 billion dollars in debt that we may never recover. I'm fine with that. I'm young, and I have ~60 years of a working life to pay it off with my tax. But please, for the love of all that is good, don't privatise it. Perhaps give out 49% of shares. But don't privatise it. National infrastructure in this country needs to be publicly owned and run in the best interests of the country, not in the best interests of a group of shareholders. This is what Telstra taught us. The only difference that can come is if NBNCo is stopped from running a retail arm, or from entering into preferential agreements with any company. Even then, Customer Service will go down the drain, because that costs money.

Also, don't talk about Telstra's wireless network as being viable internet for rural australia. It isn't, except for the absolute most remote of areas. If it doesn't have the capacity to play games, you shouldn't regard it as internet. It's voice with a little bit of data. Thats not even mentioning the prices...
mick09
Nov 13, 2009 11:10 PM
@fphhotchips Dear o dear - "those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it".

Go ask your parents why the PMG's Department of the Australian Public Service was first split in two, and a AusGovt corporation Telecom Australia created in 1975 by the Gough Whitlam Labor government.

Ask them about what 74 years of PMG running "national infrastructure in the best interests of the country" was really like.

Do you really think NBNCo will cost $43B ("a huge debt") for eight years and then suddenly cost nothing further? It will suddenly become revenue-neutral (or, cherish the day, turn a profit) for ever after - just like PMG's did for 74 years?

I suppose you believe Chairman Rudd's polemic also "From time to time in human history there occur events of a truly seismic significance, events that mark a turning point between one epoch and the next, when one orthodoxy is overthrown and another takes its place."

Maybe look up the word "hubris" in the dictionary.

scan06disk
Nov 14, 2009 12:15 AM
@mick
Internode has had that plan for some time now, its build, operated and maintained by "Opticomm" http://www.opticomm.net.au/, which are only available to a few new housing estates, if anyone is going to buy a house, please make sure you have fiber(FTTH)and invite all of us for a cuppa... lol, will cost an additional 5-10k depending on the estate and housing offer....

BTW, Japan has 128m people & US$4.9trillion(GDP), Australia 22m and US$1.1trillion(GDP)....
scan06disk
Nov 14, 2009 12:19 AM
P.S: mick09 you should become a Disaster Recovery CIO @ NBNco LOL :P
mick09
Nov 14, 2009 10:48 AM
@scan06disk - have you lived in Japan?

Japan has 60% of its households on broadband (FTTH, ADSL and cable) in 337,000 sq km. Australia has a higher proportion of its households on broadband (67-70%) spread over an area of 7,690,000 sq km.

If you live in Tokyo, FTTH is readily available. Its penetration is 27% of households. The provider is NTT - Japan's Telstra.

In fiscal 2010, the Japanese government has budgeted 10 billion Yen (AU$10 million) to promote broadband (both FTTH and ADSL) - yes $10,000,000 rather than $43,000,000,000.

Re the Disaster Recovery CIO position - I note that Mike Kaiser managed to nudge out Grahame Richardson for the position.
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