Day 13: Does Freezone keep pirates at bay?

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Day 13: Does Freezone keep pirates at bay?
"Bannon's logic is flawed "[That freed up quota] can be used for illegal downloading of my client's films, wouldn't you agree?" That is true, but that "freed up quota" can also be discarded. ie: ..."
By Tahlin
 
Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM
Tags: iinet | afact | freezone | illegal | downloaders | content | legal | unmetered

Film industry says no, iiNet says yes.

The side-effect of an ISP's subscriber benefit was not responsible for propagating illegally copied material over the internet, its chief executive officer told the Federal Court today.

iiNet chief executive officer Michael Malone denied its freezone offer was "highly attractive" to illegal downloaders but he conceded the download quota freed-up by watching legal content could be used for illegal purposes.

On the stand for a third consecutive day in a case brought against the No. 3 ISP by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft, Malone faced pressure from plaintiff's barrister Tony Bannon to agree "that the freezone is highly attractive to a person interested in maximising the bandwidth available to them to engage in illegal downloading".

"I don't believe that to be true," Malone said.

He said freezone attracted a "different type of segment or person" to illegal content downloaders.

"[But] an illegal downloader gets the freezone anyway?" Bannon pressed.

"Correct," Malone said.

"And you say some of that freezone material is attractive to customers?"

"Yes."

"So you don't have to use any download quota to enjoy those attractive features?"

"Yes."

Malone said it gave customers an "alternative to downloading something illegal[ly]".

"They've got a finite number of hours in their day," Malone told the court, suggesting that users watching free, legal content had less time to engage in potentially infringing acts.

"You're promoting content on a basis which makes it attractive for users to acquire your plans and quotas. And part of that attraction is [watching] freezone [content] frees up quota [for other activities]," Bannon alleged. "[That freed up quota] can be used for illegal downloading of my client's films, wouldn't you agree?"

"It can be, yes," Malone said.

Before the case began, iiNet said it would argue that it encouraged only legal downloads over its network by offering unmetered, legal content. The federation brought the case against the Perth ISP, alleging it wasn't doing enough to stop illicit sharing of copyright materials over its nationwide network.

The case continues. You can follow the case in-full here. For a background on the case, click here.


 
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djzort
Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM
This arguments logic is ridiculous. By extension, if woolworths gives a discount on its goods, its just freeing up peoples money to buy weapons and drugs? And further, the government should increase work hours to 18 hours a day, so that people have no extra time to break the law?
Digger11
Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM
Malone may be fooling the barristers - but can he really fool anyone with the smallest idea on how to run an ISP ???

Freezones are local caches that lower an ISP's overall bandwidth cost of peering and more importantly International Bandwidth costs (probably via Southern Cross).

It might sound good in court to say that Freezone diverts a user away for illegal downloading - but the reality is that this is more total nonsense from Malone.

Do you iiNet Fanboi's believe Malone on his bizarre comments on this topic ????
block
Nov 4, 2009 4:44 PM
Of course they are hosting it locally... that's why it can be provided "free" to the customers. I'm sure iiNet are paying someone in order to obtain the rights to provide the content.

Do you iiNet Hater's really think that they are providing the freezone to take away some of the content that would be downloaded illegally so they can use their quota on other illegal stuff? I think your comments are bizarre.
shion
Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM
they are forgetting why people even pirate to begin with, instead of shooting their own foot and suing a provider, why not take the money and invest in research on why their company is losing money through downloads.
TruthSphere
Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM
Digger11 stop posting AFACT propaganda.
Eruaran
Nov 4, 2009 8:12 PM
Digger11, you have done nothing but shill for AFACT on this site. Here's a hint: None of us are impressed by either you or AFACT.
Sams
Nov 5, 2009 12:15 AM
"Do you iiNet Fanboi's believe Malone on his bizarre comments on this topic"

I've never used iiNet in my life. Calling people "fanbois" because they all disagree with you is no substitute for logical debate.
bfitzroy
Nov 5, 2009 5:10 AM
I love the insinuation that anyone who cares about the customers right to privacy in telecommunications is an "iiNet fanboi" (sic).

Pirates are attracted to having quota, sure.
That's why they flock to the companies with large quotas for the least amount of money, not companies with extras and bundles and generic idiot fluff.
Rhino
Nov 5, 2009 11:09 AM
Oh Digger11 you certainly make me smile. Despite being a long time TPG subscriber, I really liked how my concerns to customer rights takes a back seat to big business makes me an "iiNet Fanboi" as you eloquently put it.

How much are AFACT paying you to spout troll the net posting fanboish quotes?
Tahlin
Nov 5, 2009 12:24 PM
Bannon's logic is flawed

"[That freed up quota] can be used for illegal downloading of my client's films, wouldn't you agree?"

That is true, but that "freed up quota" can also be discarded. ie: the user could go for a lower quota plan for a lower price. It's not all about pirating!
(No, not with iiNet - i just don't like witch hunts).
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