Day 12: Exetel blog surfaces in iiNet cross-examination

 

Difficulty of developing an automated program.

The film industry has today attempted to introduce blog posts from Exetel chief John Linton and People Telecom's copyright policy as examples of what other industry players are doing to combat alleged infringement on their networks.

iiNet's barrister Richard Cobden objected to both introductions on the grounds of relevance.

Justice Cowdroy said the relevance of the Exetel blog posts was "not readily apparent".

He also quizzed the film industry's barrister Tony Bannon on whether People's copyright policy - obtained from its website - could also fall into "the same category as the [Exetel] documents".

Justice Cowdroy asked barristers for both sides to attempt to reach an agreement on the use of Linton's blog posts and the People policy in the lunch break.

Earlier, he had allowed Bannon to refer to parts of a Linton post dated 13 June that discussed a meeting between Linton and the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (DBCDE) that described, among other things, Exetel's peer-to-peer policy.

"I'm not sure at this stage what relevance is. I'll allow it for the time being to see what transpires," Justice Cowdroy stated.

iiNet has previously indicated it would argue that developing a system to deal with the thousands of alleged infringement notices it received would put it at a commercial disadvantage with respect to other players in the market.

Malone told Bannon he had relied on his background as the developer of iiNet's "original billing system" and his subsequent decade working on it to form the view that developing an automated program to handle the notifications would involve some degree of "difficulty".

He agreed under cross-examination that iiNet had "many" programmers on its staff, including 60 alone on its billing team whose roles included "writing automated programs for sending customers notices when they are in default [of a payment]."

"But when it came to the question of presenting to His Honour evidence on behalf of iiNet of the degree of difficulty of developing [an automated program to deal with infringement notices], you consulted of those 60 programmers none?" Bannon alleged.

"Correct," Malone stated.

"But the managing director took it upon himself to suggest there was difficulty in writing a program in relation to infringement notices?" Bannon alleged.

"Yes," Malone stated.

Bannon then referred Malone to Linton's blog post and directed him to read to himself large parts of it.

In the post, Linton describes how Exetel allegedly created an automated system for dealing with "emailed copyright infringement notices" using a "trivial amount of code".

Further, Linton claimed in his post "the code required to do it was available to anyone who wanted to download it under our open source policy if they truly believed it would take immense efforts and costs to write themselves."

"Have you made any enquiries as to Exetel's billing system?" Bannon asked Malone.

"No," Malone responded. "Mr Linton is not a reliable source of information about anything," he claimed before iiNet's counsel objected to the line of questioning.

Mr Linton has previously given evidence in a case between One Tel and a former employee in February 2000 in the Industrial Relations Commission of NSW.  

At that time the Deputy President of the Commission, Peter Sams, labelled Mr Linton's evidence as "hopelessly flawed and unbelievable".

The case continues. You can follow the case in-full here. For a background on the case, click here.


Day 12: Exetel blog surfaces in iiNet cross-examination
"Don't worry about Digger11, he's obviously associated with AFACT."
By TruthSphere
 
 
 
Comments: 15
firey1
Nov 3, 2009 3:42 PM
As if you'd use something written by that clown in a court.
Maxxi
Nov 3, 2009 3:51 PM
Soz firey1, but I hardly expect the judges to accept your definition of this guy as a clown as admissable evidence... lol

Right now his blog has more sway than your opinion... >;))
Maxxi
Nov 3, 2009 3:52 PM
At that time the Deputy President of the Commission, Peter Sams, labelled Mr Linton's evidence as "hopelessly flawed and unbelievable".

Now that is a reference to be taken seriously... lol
Bouyant
Nov 3, 2009 4:34 PM
"Deputy President of the Commission, Peter Sams, labelled Mr Linton's evidence as "hopelessly flawed and unbelievable".

That just about sums it up!
firey1
Nov 3, 2009 4:37 PM
"Right now his blog has more sway than your opinion..."

Only to those silly enough to believe it. MM isn't that silly, hence his comment.

"Mr Linton is not a reliable source of information about anything,"
cw
Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM
AFACT want to hold Linton up as a benchmark?

They should be careful, Linton is the same bloke that admitted to logging customers Internet traffic without their consent in the name of his own half baked internet filtering trial. There were questions raised about the legality of Linton's half baked testing on his own customers.

He also claimed he could implement mandatory Internet filtering with a nothing more than a balloon and matchstick, Macgyver style.
btone
Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM
After picking myself up off the floor and recovering from the best laugh I have had in a long time I am now firmly of the opinion that Iinet's crew should just sit back, smell the roses and watch the AFACT silks unravel their web of confusion through sheer incompetence. Waiting for their next 'expert' witness is like watching the old Gong Show!
Digger11
Nov 4, 2009 8:26 AM
I haven't had sucha good laugh for a longtime. Malone has cooked his own goose. To pretend that he could not easily build a simple sytem to notify the illegal sownloaders of their actions is jsut hilarious - and he decided himself !!!!
What a fool, he is so guilty I don't think this case will last much longer

Why doesn't Malone just admit the truth that he was getting a great competitive advantage over the other ISP's (such as Exetel) who were foloowing the rules ????

Fibing in court shows the true characater of this clown.
KJ
Nov 4, 2009 10:51 AM
and these rules are ?
oh yes doing what AFACT want you to do even if there is no legal or moral reason for them to do so.
firey1
Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM
"cooked his own goose."

Hmmm...He even uses JL's words.

http://johnl.blogs.exetel.com.au/index.php?/archives/3227-Widespread-Theft-And-The-Impact-On-Society.html
block
Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM
Digger11 - I now know for sure you do not know what you are talking about.

The proposed program would be required to look at the timestamp provided by AFACT of the proposed breach and compare against iiNet's records for IP Address assignment... sounds easy... and it is. Except you have no idea if the timestamp is correct. Yes NTP exists for time syncronisation but there are a number of times this can cause issues.

If a server is incorrectly configured (on either network) it can be out. There can also be issues with servers being configured in an incorrect timezone and lets not get into the issues invovled with Daylight Sayings changes etc.

So yes easy to write in theory. Can you guarantee the accuracy of it to a level at which you would be satisfied that you can disconnect someone - no.

I require my internet for work purposes - if they disconnected it based on an unfounded accusation from a third party that may or may not have been me (or someone using my wireless), then I would sue them.

Retard
Digger11
Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM
@block

How come all of the other major ISP's were doing it ??? Are iiNet really that incompetent ?

block
Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM
@Digger11

How many are disconnecting users based on AFACT notices - I hope none.

A few will attempt to pass on the notices, but again without having control over AFACT's network and the machines that are determining what is an alleged breach you can not gaurantee the timestamp.

I don't download movies and i've received a notice when i was with Westnet years ago. I deleted it.

If there was a legitimate copyright infringement then that should have been pursued by AFACT or the Police.
firey1
Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM
Digger11 says:

"How come all of the other major ISP's were doing it ???"

This is complete rubbish, You must be making it up as you go along. I've been with Telstra, Iprius, AAPT and Internode and never have I received any notices.

Get some facts or cut the crap.
TruthSphere
Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM
Don't worry about Digger11, he's obviously associated with AFACT.
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