Day Seven: Studio bosses wash their hands of piracy investigative technique

 

Warner Bros, Paramount expected investigators to act within the law.

At least two American film studios involved in the copyright case against ISP iiNet have indicated to the Federal Court that they would not authorise use of investigative techniques in the fight against piracy if it involved some form of illegal conduct.

In what proved a contentious seventh day of the hearing, counsel for iiNet Richard Cobden quizzed David Kaplan, senior vice president and intellectual property counsel at Warner Bros Entertainment, on the investigative methods or mechanisms employed by local film industry representative body, AFACT, during its investigation into alleged illegal file sharing on Australian ISP networks.

"You would expect those mechanisms would operate within the law, would you not?" Cobden SC put to Kaplan.

"Yes," Kaplan replied.

"Because Warner would not want such activities to be conducted illegally?" Cobden pressed.

"Correct," Kaplan stated to the Federal Court.

Counsel for the film industry Tony Bannon sought further clarification from Kaplan on his response in re-examination.

"You were asked a question whether you expected or understood the DtecNet investigation and AFACT were operating within the law. You indicated an answer ‘yes'. What laws did you have in mind when you answered that question?" Bannon asked.

Counsel for iiNet objected to the question. It was later answered by Kaplan that he "didn't have any specific law in mind when [he] answered that question."

Further questioning by Bannon on re-examination was halted by Justice Cowdroy on the grounds it resembled a further cross-examination of Kaplan.

Counsel for the film industry lodged objections to the wording of a similar question from iiNet's barrister Richard Cobden in the cross-examination of Paramount Pictures Corporation's vice president of worldwide content protection, Al Perry.

"You would expect those activities [of AFACT] would operate within the law, would you not?" Cobden SC said, leading to the objection.

On Cobden re-phrasing the question, Perry agreed Paramount "would not engage in any criminal activities" or sanction activities that "trespassed on the rights of any person" in the course of an investigation.

The line of questioning came after AFACT's executive director Neil Gane was forced to concede the federation's investigative techniques - which allegedly included an investigator downloading all or part of a copyrighted film from the internet using BitTorrent - could itself be construed as an infringement of the film studio's copyrights.

Prior to the commencement of hearings, iiNet had made it clear it intended to throw the spotlight on the film industry by accusing it of being the primary copyright infringer in the case.

"The alleged authorisation infringement is, on the applicant's own case, actually brought about by actions of the applicants," iiNet alleged before the case began.

That part of iiNet's defence appeared to be explored in the cross-examination of Gane.

"AFACT would not itself be a party to infringing or condoning copyright infringement?" iiNet's counsel put to Gane in the Federal Court late last week.

Gane paused before stating that "there may be occasions" where he directed or instructed AFACT's own investigators to undertake an activity "which you may say is an infringement of copyright."

"And that's something you will tolerate happening at your own premises?" Cobden pressed.

"It's an investigative technique," Gane stated.

The case continues.

Read the rest of our coverage of day seven - including cross-examination of the film studio bosses - here.


Day Seven: Studio bosses wash their hands of piracy investigative technique
"@mikeyx11, Good point - I have not really undestood the whole criminal v civil bit. To me court case is to find out if you are guilty or not. My knowledge of reasonable doubt and balance of ..."
By Digger11
 
 
 
Comments: 6
Digger11
Oct 15, 2009 11:41 AM
Don't you just hate lawyers - what on earth is wrong with entrapment ????
You have to be guilty to get caught.

Even the US is smarter than us in that the police often do stings where they leave the keys in an unlocked car in a dodgy suburb (like Bundoora) and wait for it to be stolen. Then they disable the ignition remotely.

If we did this in Aus then some illegal immigrant refugee supporting Civil Libertarian would make headlines on the 6 p.m. News about how disgaceful the police are.

I think the Malaysian Prime Minister is correct on his views about us Aussies.

Sorry, a bit of topic - but the principle is the same.
MerariSchroeder
Oct 15, 2009 11:41 AM
Ry, I may have just misread, but "Counsel for iiNet objected to the question"?, they were asking the question, I think you meant to say "Counsel for AFACT objected to the question"
mikeyx11
Oct 15, 2009 12:31 PM
Digger11, AFACT are not police or other law enforcement themselves. That is all.
Spagman
Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM
Surely WB, Paramount and AFACT realise that the media coverage to this case increases public awareness of Bittorrent to people that previously weren't aware of it. In my opinion going after the source of the leaks would be more productive. Eg, finding out who, and how leaked a bluray rip of Star Trek, a film not due out on Bluray until December. Surely tracking this to the source would be more productive for these expensive lawyers?
MerariSchroeder
Oct 15, 2009 12:53 PM
Ry, I may have just misread. Never mind I think I did misread it.
Digger11
Oct 15, 2009 1:15 PM
@mikeyx11,

Good point - I have not really undestood the whole criminal v civil bit.
To me court case is to find out if you are guilty or not. My knowledge of reasonable doubt and balance of evidence does not go much past Judge Judy.
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