Anti-fibre activist tells businesses to foot NBN

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Anti-fibre activist tells businesses to foot NBN
"O...M...G...! Is 'itnews' so bereft of a story that they feel compelled to publish this rubbish? And Todd, if the unintelligible shambles of the two XL spreadsheets constitutes your calculations ..."
 
Jul 10, 2009 5:43 AM
Tags: nonbnorg | anti | fttp | fibre | nbn | broadband | free | space | optics | wireless

At least for the 'last mile'.

An opponent of the Government spending $43 billion on a fibre-to-the-premise national broadband network said the private sector should foot most of the bill.

Anti-FTTP campaigner Todd Hubers, creator of NoNBN.org, said the Government should focus on rolling out substantial backhaul links to encourage the private sector to make their own ‘last mile' infrastructure investments.

These could encompass FTTP, fourth-generation wireless technologies such as long term evolution (LTE), or more "far-fetched" options such as a free space optic mesh.

"Backhaul is the first step and has to be done to make anything work but during its rollout the last mile can be considered," Hubers said.

"The private sector might take care of the last mile itself if backhaul becomes cheaper. FTTP is a good technology but it can be funded entirely by the private sector [in my opinion]."

Hubers said he had interest from Monash and Deakin universities to explore the potential for free space optic mesh networks in Australia.

Free space optics is a line-of-sight technology that uses light beams to transmit data between two points. Its origins were in NASA and Defence in the late 1960s.

It is often promoted as an alternative to laying fibre optic cables, but detractors say the beams can be subverted by atmospheric conditions such as fog, reducing its reliability.

Hubers proposed a network of very short-range links arranged in a mesh topology. They would run from house to house within the network area, reducing downtime caused by poor weather.

"I wouldn't expect a government to put something like this in, but if you consider the on-paper design specifications of a mesh network and how it could work, you could potentially create a mesh that undermines and competes with the NBN," Hubers said.

Although testing of the concept was required, he said it promised gigabit-speed internet "for only $30 a month".

This is much less than the $70 to $200 a month suggestions for retail service prices on the NBN.

Hubers said his objection to the $43 billion NBN is that "the general population can't afford $200 a month [for internet services]".

"The Government is calling this a nation-building exercise to justify the price tag," Hubers said.

"But it doesn't directly support primary or secondary industries, it complements them. Redistributing the $43 billion into water and power projects would be nation-building."

 


 
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jnr
Jul 10, 2009 9:28 AM
Todd you're a dreamer.... the biggest bane of any competitive carrier in this country is THE LAST MILE.
MerariSchroeder
Jul 10, 2009 9:50 AM
What bane are you talking about? 4G goes up to 1Gbps and would cost less than $5bn to install and is fully mobile. Many competing companies have had to buy backhaul off telstra at a premium and this has represented a large percentage of the cost. And even lower cost alternatives such as Soul Australia cost around $220 per 1 Mb / Month. A government owned backhaul is 80% of the work which is needed - they wouldn't look for a "profit" from owning the infrastucture (because they would be able to pay for it without private investment - unlike the FTTP NBN), they would focus on quality of service and therefore backhaul prices would be considerably lower.
Sams
Jul 10, 2009 10:06 AM
MerariSchroeder: "What bane are you talking about? 4G goes up to 1Gbps and would cost less than $5bn to install and is fully mobile."

Questions that need to be asked (and I admit I don't know the answers) (a) can it handle the capacity if everyone starts using it, and (b) how much will it cost users.
Simon900
Jul 10, 2009 10:12 AM
Has this guy really thought about this. Would you install the last mile Mesh topology to every house and business in Australia? Could you imagine the up-roar from residents in places like Vaucluse with a nice new Mesh transmitter receiver on their 1890's Terrace. Welcome to the new NBN inspired ugly Australia.
Also on another point, if the private sector has control over the last mile, how long would it take to get it installed at normal residences. The end user pays again.
anonymous
Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM
So "free space optic mesh" is the answer to meeting Australia's broadband needs in ten years time, is it?

And all pigs are cleared for takeoff on runway 32.
frances
Jul 10, 2009 11:38 AM
Does this mean I have to climb up on the roof every few days to wash the bird poo off the lens?
MerariSchroeder
Jul 10, 2009 11:44 AM
Did you know that the FTTP PON network currently slated shares 622Mbps download for 128 users? Meaning if you wanted to all watch HD video at once it would choke - you need 25Mbps for streaming HD video.

Simon900, those terrace houses alread have Foxtel dishes, TV antennas and 1930s electricity connections ruining their facades, a mesh node would be much less noticeable, and need not be on the roof...

The private sector doesn't have to install the <$5bn 4G network, the goverment could.

I'm sure an "FSO node" would have covers above the laser and deterants to stop birds landing on it.

Also the links in an "FSO node" could be on each side of a house under the eaves, making it quite inconspicuous.
MerariSchroeder
Jul 10, 2009 11:46 AM
If we wanted to be truly future ready and use Fiber Optics we would have an Active Optic Network, as PON is limited for future expansion.
MerariSchroeder
Jul 10, 2009 11:51 AM
anonymous, "free space optic mesh" is just a good example of how other technology will continue to be invented, competative with fiber optic, more scalable and more cost effective.

other alternatives include: Fiber to the Node with VDSL2 (300Mbp/s) from the node to the home - very cost effective (except that telstra owns the copper). Stratellites (Air ships which hover at 50,000ft for 6 months at a time, blanketing an area of 150m radius). Point to Point Wireless Mesh. Don't limit your imagination to just Fiber Optic.

And when the next speed Fiber Optic components come out for say 1Gbps internet using PON, you will need to but all new modems at around $500.
MikeyOne
Jul 10, 2009 4:13 PM
Yeah I can't wait until my data has to pass through 30 hops before it gets anywhere near a server. One of the biggest advantages of having fibre is that you can almost guarantee the timing of packet delivery, which greatly enhances QOS. Try doing that with a bunch of ad-hoc wireless links and their constantly changing link qualities. Don't get me started on the security requirements and all the extra network overhead involved with that.
Tailgator
Jul 10, 2009 4:38 PM
O...M...G...! Is 'itnews' so bereft of a story that they feel compelled to publish this rubbish?

And Todd, if the unintelligible shambles of the two XL spreadsheets constitutes your calculations regarding costing claims then god help you and anyone who listens to you. I've seen better and more realistic efforts on the back of an envelope. I sincerely hope your FOM concept is in better shape.
(Oh and it's 'Bureau' and also 'dividends' - the latter which you consistently mis-spell)

Come on 'itnews', you can do better than this.

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