NBN obsoletes a million security systems: ASIAL

 

Industry fears broadband upgrade neither alarms nor alerts Australians.

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The National Broadband Network has placed the future of more than a million security alarm systems that alert Australians to fire, home invasion, break-in and medical emergency in limbo pending the building of a simulated test bed next year.

The National Broadband Network's architect NBN Co told iTnews it will open its Melbourne test facility next year to security service providers and device makers to qualify their systems in an environment that will "simulate the operational NBN as closely as possible".

The progression to a telecommunications network based on Ethernet optical-fibre will expose alarms that relied on copper networks to provide their power and signals, risking Australians' homes and businesses, said Australian Security Industry Association chief executive officer Bryan de Caires.

The association's concerns stemmed from a meeting it had last December with NBN Co that referred it to the Communications Alliance on the question of systems reintegration and testing with the new broadband network.

De Caires welcomed the subtle shift in NBN Co's policy when told of it by iTnews but was yet to receive official confirmation, he said.

The security group's concerns ranged from the inconvenient ("angry customers woken by their alarm systems beeping" during a nightly NBN upgrade) to life-threatening in the case of medical alarms, de Caires said.

"Under the fibre-optic system there won't be that redundancy and backup [from the copper phone system]. So if it goes down no one will know," de Caires said.

"There's a million alarms that will have to migrate across before the [NBN] rolls out.

"We need to do something about it now and not just wait until the NBN is connected and cut all these alarms off because we believe they need to think that through and work out what the new standard will be."

De Caires said it would take three to five years to move Australia's alarm and monitoring infrastructure to fibre.

"There won't be the technicians out there to do it and I'm not sure there's enough qualified technicians out there and the systems are becoming more complex so you need more specialised people to do that."

Further hobbling the national alarm upgrade was a shortage of skills because many of those who could deploy the new security systems were involved in the NBN rollout, he said.

Most at risk from dysfunctional alarms were the sick and elderly; a failure of their medical alert systems while they were incapacitated could put their lives at risk, he said. Most monitoring systems required two-way phone services to ring back the the patient or alarm in an emergency.

And de Caires said the placing of the junction box presented problems if it was in an insecure area: "If the connection is on the outside [of the premises] someone could just unplug it so it would need to be in a secure box because if you're a burglar you could figure it out".

Owners of obsolete alarms must upgrade or replace them, he said.

The security association sought answers from broadband network architect NBN Co and the Communications Alliance on issues:

  • Adherence to standards that dictate alarm requirements
  • Emulation of the existing copper phone network and its capabilities
  • What will happen to alarms during NBN upgrades?
  • Standard signals for alarms that may be served by different network providers
  • remote configuration by low-speed, dial-up modems
  • A lab to test alarms against the new optical fibre network

In a letter confirming understanding of the issues raised at the December meeting, NBN Co chief technology officer Gary McLaren said the problems the security industry raised were "impacted by all service providers" and that it was important the "issues are addressed across the industry".

"NBN Co as a wholesale-only service provider can only address some of these issues; in the end we will need an industry-wide approach to ensure the best outcome," McLaren wrote.

"The Communications Alliance is leading the way with industry consultation on all technical matters with respect to the NBN.

"I suggest you take up the discussion with Anne Hurley, [then] CEO of Communications Alliance."

Since those discussions, NBN Co has begun work on an analog telephone adaptor to bridge the old copper-reliant systems to the new Ethernet network.

NBN Co said service providers and  vendors "will have the opportunity to test and integrate devices with the NBN Co [adaptor] prior to deploying them in the field".

"NBN Co is in fact taking a proactive role in addressing the migration of legacy systems to the NBN in consultation with industry, vendors and customers," a NBN Co spokesman told iTnews last week.

"While NBN Co has secured premises for the network operations and test facility, the fitout of the facility will take several months to complete.

"The primary purpose of the test bed is to give [service providers] the opportunity to test the integration of their services with the NBN."

Comms Alliance working groups

Communications Alliance chief executive officer John Stanton told iTnews that alternatives would be found for the alarm technology that relied on the public switched telephone network equipment and that it had working groups solving the puzzle.

"Our working groups are fully across the issue," Stanton said. "Work is continuing in working groups on those issues."

He said that by the time the NBN was rolled out the problems would be solved and "alternatives [found] for customers so they can use fibre-based systems".

In a letter sent to the security association, the alliance said that although there were problems in the past with similar network rollouts' impact on legacy alarm systems, it was confident that a solution would be found by its working groups looking at audio reproduction, boxes that housed the optical termination points at the premises, quality-of-service and the network operators themselves.

But it would not commit to maintaining copper services that evolved through "convention" and were not part of published standards, such as supplying voltage when the electricity grid failed.

"Equipment that relies on network or service characteristics that fall outside the relevant specifications but are present as an incidental by-product of the current technology may not continue to function," the alliance wrote the security industry.

"Communications Alliance is not planning to establish a test facility of its own."

And it was up to network operators to choose appropriate audio transmission systems to avoid distortion over the new packet network, it said.

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NBN obsoletes a million security systems: ASIAL
"scooter wrote: I, for one, haven't heard any plans for Telstra to rip out the existing copper as soon as the NBN is rolled out. So there will be time to migrate. We are already talking up to ..."
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Comments: 24
djzort
Sep 13, 2010 3:35 PM
note that even if you can plug them in, most voip protocols are completely incompatible with most phone line driven back to base alarms.
meski
Sep 13, 2010 3:58 PM
Oh dear, the sky is falling in!

What happens with alarms *now* when exchange software gets updated?

And who, seriously, is powering their alarm system off the POTS phone system?

Ok, if you want redundancy, it will cost you. Use wireless internet, (yes, it's available now) as a backup. My guess is that most people aren't going to want to pay for it. Companies may.
RaTTyRaTT
Sep 13, 2010 4:06 PM
Hate to say it, but this issue is something that can cause problems (potentially) with EFTPOS, FAX and a lot of other analogue devices as well.
sdavies68
Sep 13, 2010 4:15 PM
Being one of the few who actually has experience with this, the claims of the technology not working over FTTP is misleading.

We have EFTPOS, FAX, modems and other analogue devices as well working over FTTP networks today. We even have a number of security systems using back to base and dialup security alarm monitoring. All working perfectly.

It did take us some time to get this to work, so you need to know what you are doing, but making the claim by ASIAL is irresponsible. They have not never tested this.
Mordd
Sep 13, 2010 4:56 PM
Quote: "But it would not commit to maintaining copper services that evolved through "convention" and were not part of published standards, such as supplying voltage when the electricity grid failed.

"Equipment that relies on network or service characteristics that fall outside the relevant specifications but are present as an incidental by-product of the current technology may not continue to function," the alliance wrote the security industry."

Sounds fair enough to me, any company that has built their business model around "features" of copper that are not part of published standards must have known that at any stage the technology could change and their reliance on "tricks" of the technology would then fail.

Sounds like NBN is doing everything they reasonably can with the test bed though to allow manufacturers to adjust their devices to work on the NBN instead, storm in a teacup really.
ITnovice
Sep 13, 2010 5:08 PM
No disasters have happened yet, this is purely speculative scare mongering until proven. The thought came to mind, use an UPS with your security system.

As for competing with the NBN Co for installers, well the industry will just have to get creative in how they attempt to attract new workers - try refunding the cost of training upon 1 year of work etc
msniper
Sep 13, 2010 5:16 PM
Since my last post stating that this article was complete rubbish was removed, I'll rephrase...
- There are analogue to IP monitoring solutions.
- The FXS port provided by the NBN equipment or alternatively by an ISP or by the end user in the form of an ATA works JUST FINE with an uncompressed G.711 codec. just fine...
RDEFCON1
Sep 13, 2010 5:19 PM
So... was the cost of this change factored into the cost-benefit analysis for the NBN?

Oh... wait. There was no thorough cost-benefit analysis. Do'h!
ALARMNZ
Sep 13, 2010 5:30 PM
The Security industry has been fitting ATA media convertors (FXO/FXS to Ethernet) for years, if the author of this article had done some basic research the results would have shaped this journalistic masterpiece into a proper context. These devices are known as ContactID capture modules are manufactured by numerous companies and work with about a 100% of Alarm panels in the market.
The communication error rate that sometimes manifests itself using alarms with VoIP is limited to older panels using very low baud rates and critical timing algorithms. Newer Alarm panels that utilize modem formats fear better but still suffer a higher than acceptable error rate.
Most Alarm manufacturers are already redesigning their systems to carry Ethernet natively and include GSM radio ports.
Because of these options the security industry is already moving on its just the Fire and Medical guys making most of the noise because they are lagging behind and know it.
umbria
Sep 13, 2010 5:36 PM
If the only problem is the loss of electricity supply when upgrading to fibre from copper, then many cheap solutions exist for always-on backup power even for lengthy outages. A lot of Jack-wired security systems are going to be uncovered, though, and their inexpensive modern replacements will be far better at eliminating the false alarms inherent in the old ones, such as by providing video confirmation.
wjc
Sep 13, 2010 5:39 PM
Answer - 48V DC!
NBN Co is there to provide service at layers 1 and 2 of the standard OSI model - others provide the rest, e.g. TCP/IP Internet or ...hmmmm....other layer 3-4 protocol sets.
It is critical that once Australia goes totally over to tne new fibre structure that, just as now, critical power is supplied to the end-of-line equipment to allow for loss of mains power.
EASY really! It MUST be a clear directive from the Federal Government that, as today, basic backup power be provided to the end-termination unit to allow for emergencies and it is not expensive IF you pull that copper power cable through with the fibre.
We should have expected that the Minister would have made this a simple and clear directive to Mr Quiglet / NBN.
It is a vital part of our natio's security!
Gall of it
Sep 13, 2010 5:43 PM
Redundancy how about a mobile phone (worth about $35 now)this is no different to everything else going Fibre. Stop feeling sorry and start developing a solution .
packet
Sep 13, 2010 6:03 PM
Similar thing happened with PAPL services. The equivalent of dark copper, the service was end-of-lifed and replaced with ethernet. The redundancy claim is incorrect, the access layer only really indicated the connection to the line side of the exchange. The line could still be faulty by inability to dial the monitoring base number. Similar with the security claims; these problems exist now.
PeterA
Sep 13, 2010 7:24 PM
Load of RUBBISH
Buy a GSM alarm system from China that will SMS you - 50-100 bucks.
http://www.dhgate.com/lcd-sms-gsm-gsm-alarm-system-sn5800-wireless/p-ff80808127616afa01276600542c2d7b.html
dhgate are high price - you can do better.
Want redundancy? Buy Two.
Suits everyone that can get a GSM signal.
Buy a bigger antenna and your new alarm will do well.
nakerjack
Sep 13, 2010 7:37 PM
oh what a total bunch of bull...
and oh, the NBN wont provide any OPPORTUNITIES or jobs for people now will it?
Some smart cookie will work out a way to cash in on such an issue... which by the way isnt even an issue yet!
slow news day hey? and who is the ID10T who stated this crap in the first place?!
peterniss
Sep 13, 2010 8:32 PM
I too call shenanigans. What a load of rubbish. If you have a dialtone, you have no worries. Even if you dont there is plenty of much better ways of connecting your security system to a watch point via the net for realtime monitoring. A lot of people now have IP CCTV and can replay as well as watching realtime. And as pointed out by PeterA, GSM alarm systems cost next to nothing and dont fail when your Telstra phoneline dies. Or a FXS/IP to dial out via a cg-voip line assuming they dont have a working phone line. Or any number of IP based I/O modules. I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head.
Maxxi2
Sep 13, 2010 9:07 PM
I just cannot imagine that ANY technology developer in the whole world would want to build somehting that would work without, and replace, the 48V backup power for only a MILLION alarm systems.

Market opportunity far too small.

What we need to do is cancel the NBN in order to support obsolete alarm systems that need the 48volts from the copper if the mains fails. Right?

No use suggesting 1-5 year lifespan trickle rechangeable battery kits, they might cost a fortune!! ($20-$30)

Or any of the other solutions suggested here. What we need is a mass panic, a stampede for the Dick Smiths and ther realization that the NBN will never work as this MILLION alarm systems cannot function without the copper supplied backup power.

The end is nigh! *sigh*
myne
Sep 13, 2010 9:22 PM
I log line faults.

This is a non-issue.
Our corroding copper network is so utterly unreliable that this hysterical stance is laughable.
There are around a million faults logged each year. There are a bit over 10 million lines.
I have not once ever had a customer complain that an alarm siren went off when the phone went dead.
It beeped to say there was trouble, and the security company called their mobile because they didn't get the daily pulse, but never ever has the siren activated.

Yes, it is possible that killing the fibre/copper will kill the alarm's ability to call for help.
Fibre is not any more likely to fail than copper.
This is why most new alarms have GPRS modules. The copper is terrible.

Failed communications do not prevent the alarm from doing its normal monitoring and activating a siren when necessary.

They should look at the up side.
Monitored alarms with cameras. Live streams from activated alarms. Recorded if the network fails.
Remote diagnosis of false alarms. (Camera saw a cat). No other movement in past 5 minutes. No dispatch required.
GPRS/3G fail over.
Remote movement monitoring.
Lets say you have an elderly relative, you can set an alarm trigger if they are in their house and there's no movement in 10 hours.
Sound monitoring. Anything over 100db (loud calls for help) triggers sound monitoring.
The nature of the sound can be assessed, and help sent if required.

The possibilities are far greater than the limitations
EMwyres
Sep 14, 2010 8:18 AM
This is either a scaremongering campaign organised by an anti-NBN lobby, or just plain ignorance of what the NBN will provide. POTS will NOT disappear...it will simply be carried over fibre, rather than copper...everyone who has a copper based phone line with a dialtone NOW, will have a fibre based phone line with a dialtone with the NBN...
mad1k5
Sep 14, 2010 1:40 PM
Companies should keep upto date with the latest software and technology and equipment, and customers/clients should be informed of all the choices.

This is no excuse to scaremongering.

Think about all the Dialup modems ? its' not the only Security Systems are not the only issue here. But rather attack the NBN for what is is and trying to do, do something about it.
anonymous
Sep 15, 2010 12:06 PM

Ho-hum. And all the planes were going to fall out of the sky at 00:01 on 01.01.2001. . .
shanep
Sep 19, 2010 10:44 AM
The security industry needs to get a grip on change IP, POE (power over ethernet) is the future of security. If IP systems are so bad and unreliable then our banks and goverment would not be using computer to look after there moneyand transactions.
As to the issue of the fiber going into premises and junction boxes what do copper wires do exatctly the same and have the same issue. one cut and the alarm is useless. 3G or GSM is one great backup solution. But IP based systems can be monitored as to there conectivity better than and more costeffectivly than dial up.
The future is IP and IP cameras systems in the future will be your alarm system using a number of products like IP releys linking them all together.
The security industry need to take a serious look at where other industries went eg: Cameras (All digital) Photocopiers now all digital.
There are allways better ways to do things.
scooter
Sep 20, 2010 12:19 PM
I, for one, haven't heard any plans for Telstra to rip out the existing copper as soon as the NBN is rolled out. So there will be time to migrate. We are already talking up to five years before the NBN is anywhere near completion so what is the problem?
Talk about a pathetic attempt to get funding from the government to upgrade their business. Gotta love it when industries with outdated business models use FUD to maintain their positions. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for an entrepreneur to use the industries own tripe against it. Excuse me while I make a few phone calls ...
deteego
Sep 20, 2010 12:52 PM
scooter wrote:
I, for one, haven't heard any plans for Telstra to rip out the existing copper as soon as the NBN is rolled out. So there will be time to migrate. We are already talking up to five years before the NBN is anywhere near completion so what is the problem?
Talk about a pathetic attempt to get funding from the government to upgrade their business. Gotta love it when industries with outdated business models use FUD to maintain their positions. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for an entrepreneur to use the industries own tripe against it. Excuse me while I make a few phone calls ...


You can blame the government for that problem in the first place, they introduced laws (in late 90's I believe) that any telecommunications company that sets up infrastructure has to share it with other (competing) ISP's. Don't be surprised with such laws in place, that ISP's in general stick with old infrastructure, there is no real incentive to do major infrastructure plan for any ISP
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