Torrent community goes to town on ICSL study

 

Claims of false seed counts.

Widely read BitTorrent and filesharing blog Torrent Freak has slammed an industry-commissioned study into file sharing by the Internet Commerce Security Laboratory as riddled with mistakes, with conclusions based on "painfully inaccurate data".

The study, released last week, set about analysing the extent of copyright breaches on filsharing sites by focusing on 17 BitTorrent trackers and 1,000 popular torrent files. The researchers claimed that "at least 89.9 percent" infringed copyright and that there were 117.4 million seeds for the files it analysed.

The reply from the filsharing community was quick and brutal. Torrent Freak said the seed claim was "bogus", arguing that the researchers must have included trackers that report false seed counts.

"The real seed count at any given time lies between 10 and 20 million," according to Torrent Freak.

iTnews contacted Torrent Freak's editor, "Ernesto", who pointed out that Torrent Freak has several machines of its own which are dedicated to keeping track of all BitTorrent statistics.  

One of trackers included in the study was the OpenBitTorrent tracker, which Ernesto said was one of the largest. It currently has a little under 10 million seeds, he said.

"This tracker tracks ~90% of all torrents, so an estimate of 20 million would be on the high end," he explained.

The ICSL researchers said in the study that their figures were arrived at by "determining the highest available seeder count for each torrent from any tracker that was scraped."

As for The Incredible Hulk being named in the study as the most seeded file, supported by 1.1 million seeders, Torrent Freak again claims the study produced false data.

"We're not sure where these numbers originate from but the best seeded torrent at the moment only has 13,739 seeders, that's 1 percent of what the study reports," the blog reported.

Ernesto provided iTnews with a link to the site kickasstorrents.com where the most well-seeded movie currently was The Ghost Writer, which had just 14,366 seeds.

ICSL's study was partly funded by Village Roadshow, the first of 18 film studio applicants appealing a decision in favour of the defendant Australian internet service provider iiNet over a case which seeks to determine a service provider's role in 'authorising' the activity of its subscribers.

Whose statistics would you more readily believe? An industry-commissioned study at an academic institution, or a file-sharing blog? Have your say below.


Torrent community goes to town on ICSL study
"I believe Torrent Freak editors not rather than that one of Uni."
By acdcfan
 
 
 
Comments: 16
TomH
Jul 26, 2010 7:42 AM
"Whose statistics would you more readily believe? An industry-commissioned study at an academic institution, or a file-sharing blog?"

I'd like to believe the academic institute but obviously they have it terribly wrong because they clearly don't understand torrents at all.

Plenty of sites fake stats on torrents they want to draw people to, chiefly for the purposes of getting unwitting ppl into installing scamware and adware. Biggest numbers of seeds means that more people are interested.

These researchers have been suckered in, just like the johns who install the scamware.

What i'm wondering is this. Did Village Roadshow use the same researchers to gather data for the iiNet case, or do they intend to use them for the appeal?
Res
Jul 26, 2010 8:50 AM
The problem is here : "CSL's study was partly funded by Village Roadshow"

Therefor, it can not possibly be an impartial study revealing actual real world honest and fair results.

What is that saying.... "never bite the hand that feeds you"
rycrozier
Jul 26, 2010 9:31 AM
@TomH - Village can't use this data on appeal. No new evidence can be introduced.

As for the original hearings, I don't remember seeing ICSL in there...
Tom Brown
Jul 26, 2010 10:06 AM
What people are unaware of is that the copyright holders are developing a strategy to get evidence to convince a judge. They know that enough time and too much evidence will eventually cause a judge to infringe on individuals in the community.
Western democracy's have few empowered rights (Australia and England none) our rights are only where there is no law to inhibit an action, there is no matter of right and wrong except that decided by legislation or that deemed by a judge.
Knowing this the copyright owners know that it will be manifestly to their advantage to push and lobby to get judgements or laws in their favour. As soon as they succeed (as they have in the US)they can use the judicial system to enforce it and the cost of protecting their copyrighty is borne by the community.
So many people bitch about the internet filter but this topic will cause much more damage to individual freedoms, and will continue.

[Edited, because I'm nice.]

Edited by brettwinterford: 26/7/2010 10:29:30 AM
Tom Brown
Jul 26, 2010 10:42 AM
Thankyou Brett.
sputnik
Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM
Just had a look at another torrent site.
The highest seeded torrent was indeed The Ghost Writer, but only 1922 seeders.


I'd believe the blog!
samarthur
Jul 26, 2010 11:56 AM
"Whose statistics would you more readily believe? An industry-commissioned study at an academic institution, or a file-sharing blog?"

That's an easy question: Which one can we replicate accurately, to see the data for ourselves?
samarthur
Jul 26, 2010 11:57 AM
(PS: I'd believe the blog)
ltrpeski
Jul 26, 2010 1:12 PM
I find it very hard to beleive that 1.1 Million people would be willing to watch the ghost rider.

All though I think 90% illegal to 10% legal fairly accuratly describes average torrent use. If you want to test this theory, send a group email to your it department asking if anyone has 1080p rip's of BSG.
ab2010
Jul 26, 2010 1:40 PM
There's no denying that bit torrent is used for illegal purposes far more than legitimate uses - I'd say 99% to 1% legit.
btone
Jul 26, 2010 2:31 PM
Why would AFACT and similar apologists for the poisonous property 'rights' holders bother fighting distribution of their peurile bile anyway? There is so much blatant product placement on non HBO tv shows and US commercial 'films' these days that they get their parasitical blood money from Coke and Starbucks rather than from 12 year old beiber seeders anyway. The top twenty list on any torrent portal is about as exciting and imaginative as, oh, I don't know, maybe a political leaders debate?
anonymous
Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM

@btone - are you sure we currently have political leaders?

But more seriously, you're dead right.
Mordd
Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM
I'd believe the blog over anything associated even remotely with AFACT any day of the week,
PeterC1337
Jul 26, 2010 6:21 PM
"filesharing blog Torrent Freak" Could you please suggest a place where I might find these files? That's right you can't because they don't link to copyrighted material. This is because their web host wont allow it. Could you also please address why there seems to be a bunch of errors which are highlighted by this Torrent Freak article below?

http://torrentfreak.com/tech-news-sites-tout-misleading-bittorrent-piracy-study-100724/
ITrant
Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM
AFACT miss the point. The music industry shut down NAPSTER and CD sales dropped. NAPSTER was their best advertising. These are AFACT's BEST customers, as studies have found time and time again. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/p2p-users-may-be-music-industrys-best-friend-after-all.ars

For those that haven't read the article, Torrent Freak is far better qualified to write on this matter—better specialist knowledge and at least equally qualified scientifically.
acdcfan
Sep 4, 2010 4:58 PM
I believe Torrent Freak editors not rather than that one of Uni.
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