If you knew more about there first off you would not ask someone go to Duda Beach as it is usually laggy and congested...Lots of avatars in there i know will not go there....My questions to you would be How long have you been in There.com Did you use an Island Guide to show you around. Or did you just pick the places off the maps that are provided in game with Intrest points...Also it does not take 2 Hours to go to 50 different spots within the virtual world by teleporting.
Your Report is flawed.

Posted by
ThereUser,
Sep 11, 2008 11:03 PM
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ThereUser it's quite obvious his report is not flawed on basis of your arguments because the DITF is a compliancetest based on external factors.
The fact that Duda Beach is laggy as hell and congested or that teleporting to 50 diff places doesn't take two hours does not change the fact that everyone was asked the same question and that compliance for the moderate request was lower towards dark-skinned avatars, thus your arguments are flawed and seem to only reflect on your wish to find flaws.

Posted by
Kinetic,
Sep 11, 2008 11:11 PM
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ThereUser...let me guess: A little while ago a dark-skinned avatar approached you and asked you to port around with them to take screenshots and you refused? ;)

Posted by
AnotherThereUser,
Sep 11, 2008 11:19 PM
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Kinetic...do you play There.com?
There is also alot of other factors that I would like to know about how they executed their Experiment. How old were the avatars they asked...New one that are less than 6 months are more likely to participate with the teleporting...Older ones that have been in world for longer are more skeptical to play along with an avatar that is new because of past grieffers (sp?)
I don't think why they found a racial bias is because of color it is more of the age of an avatar and from past experiances.

Posted by
ThereUser,
Sep 11, 2008 11:25 PM
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AntoherThereUser...
Nope...I only play on weekends and nights and i play with a certain crowd...and guess what we have colored avatar in our group!

Posted by
ThereUser,
Sep 11, 2008 11:26 PM
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Did you just say "colored"? Wow. Really? Wow.

Posted by
Whaa?,
Sep 11, 2008 11:46 PM
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My best friend is a dark-skinned avatar. She helped me through a lot in There.com.
The default teleport locations are usually filled with younger kids.
Also note that a lot of people will not teleport to duda (you'll never see me going there).
For un-biased reporting, try to experiment in mature neighborhoods, wearing non noobie clothing w/ premium account. I think your results would be very very different.

Posted by
AnotherThereUser,
Sep 11, 2008 11:54 PM
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I am very curious about the methodology of the experiment and the details of the results. Most of these reports never contain enough detail to understand the test. For example, how were the test subjects picked, time in game, sex (virtual and real), race, number of each, etc. What were the individual correlations such sex on sex , race on race etc both virtual and real. Without this type of information the claims of racism can not be supported.

Posted by
thingsmith,
Sep 12, 2008 12:15 AM
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This is typical undergrad research.
They don't understand the first thing about online communities and expect to be able to create an experiment but through their own ignorance they don't even REALIZE there are more parameters they are not counting. Like age of the avatar... real and virtual. Hell even profession. Like I'll bet cops are LESS likely to help people because they have such a negative view of the world.

Posted by
Mitur Binesderty,
Sep 12, 2008 12:52 AM
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In everquest 2, my character is a green frog... how does this fit into a rather skewed survery?

Posted by
pedigree,
Sep 12, 2008 2:04 AM
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The researchers' experience in the virtual world doesn't matter, nor does any other aspect of their avatars, or the particular virtual locations they are studying in, or the particulars of the question. The story clearly states how all factors were (on average) equal except for avatar skin color.
The white avatar they made would be just as noob-looking and noob-acting as the dark one, so that factor cancels out. "Researchers" is plural, implying that multiple people performed this experiment, likely in multiple places in the virtual world. However, it matters little how these places were selected (probably randomly or based on popularity), since the researchers did the same experiment there. They probably didn't collect *enough* data in each and every location in order to make statistically accurate correllations for individual locations, and thus only provide you with an average.
I'm sure that factors like newness or location may have affected the responses of a some of the participants... but they would likely have affected the white ones and dark ones the same, so that statistically the effect is meaningless. It would require a second study to find out if there is a secondary link between avatar skin color and newness or location causing additional bias, but regardless, THIS BIAS that they have discovered, is still a valid statistical correllation.
The only thing I have a problem with in this article is the lack of names. What institution sponsored this study, and which researchers conducted it, exactly? The article makes no mention, and for *that* I believe it lacks credibility.

Posted by
JadeStar,
Sep 12, 2008 2:11 AM
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Very good post JadeStar. I wish more people knew how to interpret scientific studies as you do.
Regarding the previous posters, those are all interesting factors that could be studied but because the one condition of skin color was the only change, and all other factors remained constant, this was a valid experimental setup. Of course, if there was a systematic bias of skin color regarding "noob-ness", then that would invalidate the experiment. However, since that was not stated, the experiment seems to hold... based on what this summary seems to imply.

Posted by
Chad,
Sep 12, 2008 2:28 AM
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There is no way to use a closed virual world skintone to show there is racism in that world. I'm sure you could find it since people bring their own lives in when they log in but this experiment is not proving it.
This experiment does not work because of the background of There.com There is ONE midrange skin tone that is EXTREMELY popular.
It is because there are only three skintones offered to newbs and because originally in There.com the clothes had skintone drawn in. People usually pick only one tone wear because of this.
The fact that the midrange skintone is popular is a lot more interesting than someone asking you to port to lag city.

Posted by
Elaur,
Sep 12, 2008 2:47 AM
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The test is flawed because you do not know what colour skin person is behind the avatar

Posted by
S,
Sep 12, 2008 3:24 AM
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Geeze,you guys are asking all the wrong questions. You should be asking stuff like "from how large a sample was this experiment taken?" You know, how many people did they ask out of any given conversation. Numbers matter.. bexause it would help offset what someone above pointed out, that there are different age demographics in SL. It would have been better to have conducted the survey with people experienced in the ways of SL, but the above piece gives us no idea if thye were noobs or old hands.
It's kind of a thin report, as it's posted. However, those are the results i would expect to get through such a survey. "Shrugs"

Posted by
Megan Y,
Sep 12, 2008 4:00 AM
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The only thing bias in this article is the article itself. Seems to me the person conducting this research has no clue about on line communities especially There. The only thing you can equate to the real world is that no one is going to let a complete stranger take pictures of them and teleport around with them. Doesn’t matter what sex or color the avatar is. There are island guides for people who need help when they come into There. To approach people asking them to take time away from their game play to let you snap pictures of them and teleport around with them border lines on creepy. With that being said how valid is your research? If your avatar was blue, purple, white or green you would of gotten the same responses. Next time get to know the culture of a virtual world before you print lies like this. Who ever published you also needs to get a clue.

Posted by
Therian,
Sep 12, 2008 4:46 AM
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There is not enough information in the story to know if this is an accurate finding or not. How many were chosen? Was it truly random? What were the people doing when asked (if they were busy you would expect a no)? How were they approached, where they alone or with others.. Were they new or older members (this is a huge factor)? Many other pieces of information are not given.
As stated before, without all the details spelled out it is no more scientific than a political poll, which most know are useless and can be skewed to go any way the "researcher" wants. Any true scientific study would contain all this information, what has been provided appears to be no more than an opinion. Doing it in this fashion you get 8 out of 10 say they don’t brush their teeth, when you only ask 10 and pick 8 that wear dentures.

Posted by
BeenThere,
Sep 12, 2008 5:26 AM
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Ok, Now I must say, I see no racisim in There.com. This would be from my point of view. I talk to anyone regaurdless of the color of their skin. And as a There.com user I can also back up the fact that it DOES NOT take 2 Hours to teleport to 50 Different places. I am an Island Guide on There and sure there are SOME people that treat people other than they should be, but There in one way at least is like the real world, ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERNT and you can NOT judge a community by a few people's actions. Sorry people who researched this, you didn't do enough.
A Proud There.com User for almost 2 Years
-HK

Posted by
ThereUserHK,
Sep 12, 2008 5:41 AM
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I think those complaining about the statistics are missing it.
Can we assume or hope that the experimenters set up their system so that all other things were equal. The white and black avatars were of the same age or level and maybe even controlled by the same person so acting in the same style.
Some here sound afraid of being called racist.
Maybe there is no _overt_ racism in these places. This test is not about overt racism. It's about subtle changes in your mechanism for trusting others.
The natural "one of us" versus "not one of us" algorithm we all use would be significant here and could explain these results. It would likely act without you realising it as you come to your conclusion on how trustworthy the other person is.
Maybe that's not "Racist" in the typical "All blacks are bad" sense. It's still an interesting result. I'd expect in a virtual world where the majority are black or Asian the white avatars would have been disadvantaged for the same reasons as the blacks were disadvantaged here.

Posted by
Richard,
Sep 12, 2008 9:11 AM
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There.com? What the heck is that? Play WoW like normal people.

Posted by
Whattheheckistheredotcom,
Sep 12, 2008 6:28 PM
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*It's about subtle changes in your mechanism for trusting others. *
There you go Richard...You just stated the most important piece of this study...It has nothing to do with race PERIOD.

Posted by
ThereUser,
Sep 12, 2008 11:05 PM
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LOL, Who conducted this study?
It sounds like one of those science studies kids do for a high school project. You know, those studies that have poorly defined test conditions.
I love how the writer of this article doesn't even state the name of who conducted the study. My guess is that he was struggling to find a story, and in walks his kid ("Daddy, can you help me with this science project?").

Posted by
LOL,
Sep 13, 2008 8:09 AM
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Why is itnews "breaking it news for A.B." covering a 3 year old poorly formed study?
The researchers in this study failed to identify appropriate moderate and large requests within this community prior to implementing the study and did not field test the questions used. When the 'large' request in DITF is so large as to not be taken as genuine, then there is no perception of compromise. The person being asked may agree or disagree with the second request, but their motivation for doing so can't be attributed to DITF reasoning. And when the FITD moderate request is assigned an alternative motive (in this case, only a pervert male avie would ask a female avie they didn't know to duda beach) then the results can not be attributed to FITD behavior.
There might be racism in VW's. Unfortunately, this study isn't informative at all on that account.

Posted by
IRBReviewer,
Sep 13, 2008 9:00 AM
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For starters, it would be impossible to have all other factors than race be equal. There is an active social climate. Avies are doing all sorts of things w |