ISPs rally against Telstra ADSL price cuts

 

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ISP TPG has shrugged off an aggressive price revamp of Telstra's ADSL plans as Internode rallied users to stand by the ISP and not move their services to Telstra.

Telstra revealed the major revamp of its high-end ADSL plans yesterday.

TPG's general manager of marketing and sales, Craig Levy, said Telstra's price changes wouldn't really affect TPG's business.

He pointed to TPG's $60-a-month plan that included 500 GB of data a month and line rental, making it cheaper than Telstra's $89.95 200 GB offer, which excluded line rental fees.

"It is nice to see the incumbent finally realising that it needs to get a move on," he said.

Meanwhile, Internode managing director Simon Hackett said it took BigPond "more than a decade of charging like wounded bulls before they finally started to take rational pricing half seriously".

"It's because of people like us that they've reacted, late and last - else they absolutely would not have done so," Hackett said in a post to Whirlpool.

"We're one of the reasons the pricing has changed at BigPond at all, and maybe that's worth showing your appreciation for by hanging out for a few months.

"Given that huge period through which Internode has saved you a huge amount of money while also providing a better service, it'd be civilised for you to cut us at least a few months worth of slack in terms of your continued choice of ISP (after all, you've probably saved well more than enough money with us so far to more than make up for the short term difference)."

But he added: "We definitely don't blame anyone in the meantime for making whatever choice suits their needs the best."

Telstra's new BigPond prices have undercut a number of ISPs that resell internet services on Telstra ADSL infrastructure, in some cases substantially.

According to the Competitive Carriers Coalition (CCC), at least three ISPs had lodged complaints with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) over the past month.

The complaints alleged that Telstra was "exploiting its market power to illegally undercut competitors' pricing" and sought regulatory intervention to reduce Telstra's wholesale prices in line with cuts at the retail level.

A spokesman for the coalition squared part of the blame on the stalling of Competition and Consumer Safeguards legislation in the Senate.

"The Senate has a lot to answer for with regard to the failure to pass these crucial reforms, leaving competitors and consumers exposed to continued exploitation of market power by Telstra," the spokesman said.

"However, in the absence of a long term solution, it is incumbent on the ACCC to step in and use its powers under Part XIB of the Trade Practices Act to protect competition."


ISPs rally against Telstra ADSL price cuts
"That should read Telstra's main competitor Optus."
By advocate
 
 
 
Comments: 17
btone
Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM
TPG should also have highlighted that Bigpond STILL charge for uploads. Major deal breaker which many churners will discover to their regret.
frogg11
Jul 27, 2010 10:01 PM
Clearly Telstra must reduce their wholesale prices inl-line with their retail pricing.

The ACCC cannot just stand idly by and let ISP's fail because of Telstra's monopoly on a huge number of ADSL exchanges.
sydney
Jul 28, 2010 6:48 AM
its a joke with these isps complaining , particular internode and iprimus.

I sent a letter to the accc showing iprimus is selling 300gb on telstra for $140


and internode been taunting bigpond for years , that its overprice and now its got the hide to ocmplain, because bigpond got competitive

what about optus another hypocrite, the ydont wholesale to other isps on another network they forced isps to use optus network and optus sells 120gb for $50

where is the accc agaisnt optus

if accc gets invovled should stop wholesaling adsl2+ ,
advocate
Jul 28, 2010 9:58 AM
It's interesting to see that after 13 years of ACCC regulated access to Telstra Wholesale infrastructure and offering better quotas and pricing all that time many ISP's still complain when BigPond finally in 2010 after being the price premium ISP starts to compete on quota and price.

It's ok when they take fixed line customers away from BigPond they love it, but when the competitive wheel starts to turn the other way it's off to the ACCC to queue up to complain.

You would think after all this time they could actually let go of the ACCC apron strings!

Ace
Jul 28, 2010 10:42 AM
There is a danger to choice, as demonstrated by Woolworths. Woolies introduced a 'pharmacy' like section and dropped prices to a level where pharmacies in the neighbourhood could not compete, but to which Woolies could sustain for a time due to the rest of their supermarket, and people-pulling power. Once their competition is forced to sell up, they can happily restore prices to whatever level they like. Customers have very little choice left.

Microsoft got in trouble for this behaviour with their IE browser.

Telstra have tried this behaviour before and run foul of the regulators, so it is correct to be at least suspicious.
advocate
Jul 28, 2010 1:08 PM
It's not the same comparison about choice 'Ace', there are other ADSL2+ wholesalers that ISP's can choose from, and most do selling ADSL2+ and Naked DSL Plans that severely undercut BigPond on value and quota, even factoring in the latest BigPond price cuts.

The fact that Australia's second largest Telco Optus has stopped its DSLAM rollout means it's not willing to take on the Telstra DSLAM coverage and compete.

Of course ISP's/Telco's are in a holding pattern waiting for the multi billion dollar taxpayer funded NBN rollout, then they can flog that back to the taxpayer as a retail product without having to spend one cent on risky infrastructure capex.
Ace
Jul 28, 2010 5:49 PM
"Telstra owns the monopoly access network that all communications carriers must use to deliver services, and has a sorry record of exploiting this market power to undermine competition" seems fairly accurate description as far as I can tell. At 40b, they are somewhat larger than all of their competition, and as a giant with big feet, it is beholden on them to walk carefully.
masked
Jul 29, 2010 12:25 AM
sydney: on/off-quota plans are a HUGE trade-off and in no way compare to a real 24/7 ADSL2+ account.

I brought it to what was the T4 (tellthetruthtelstra) group years ago that my hometown of Bendigo was the FIRST place Telstra beat Internode and iiNet in a deployment of ADSL2+ exchanges, the real cause for alarm IS STILL that all Bendigo phone numbers are listed as being connected to ONE exchange, when in fact for Telstra to have pulled off this feat of beating the competition, they had installed DSLAM's in a series of UNLISTED sub-exchanges.

This was considered cause for action against anti-competitive nature. The MOST that came from it was Internode striking a deal with Telstra to provide ADSL2+ services via their infrastructure, I think that was less than fair but at least Internode offered a better and effectively cheaper service as they DON'T INCLUDE UPLOADS! (WTF?!)

advocate: that goes for you too, this was before the days of NodeLine services and mind you, Internode still only RENT the lines (well, I DO, I damn well should have more say!).

Internode would have likely beaten Telstra to this town also, but as providers find out one by one, installing a DSLAM in the main exchange just results in applications for a service which they mistakenly can't provide!

If I were in the CBD, I would have a choice of Telstra, Optus and TPG DSLAMs (and I believe node have had one there for some exclusive use for years, but I'd still only be offered their service through a Telstra port!). Instead, I infact PTP WiFi my SOHO internet from home to my office in the CBD some 7km's as I fail to see the benefit in being RIPPED OFF by monopolising so-and-so's.

I could go on and on....
masked
Jul 29, 2010 12:38 AM
might i add.

sydney:

On/Off-peak, infact almost EVERY OTHER ADSL2+ PLAN I KNOW OF SHAPE individual tcp/ip connections so heavily THAT should be consideration for dodgy practices. When I can download a file at full data rates on my Internode connection and a friend can only download 200KB/s from the same server but can max out their connection with ten TCP/IP connections. I think, who I really providing ADSL2+?!

How about when Telstra complained competition couldn't advertise 24Mbps connections due to factors like line attenuation. They were the only ones that artificially capped their ADSL2+ downstreams to 20Mbps (just like the old 256, 512 and 1.5Mbps on ADSL1 - that another topic for discussion alone!).

The term 'best-effort' means nearly diddly-squat! When Telstra wouldn't provision 256Kbps solely because they couldn't establish a 1.5Mbps connection to the premises, people went without!

I could go on....?
masked
Jul 29, 2010 12:40 AM
ALL providers sell the amount of bandwidth they do (some more blatently rediclously than others) based on the bet that a customer is not going to use it all. When they can sell 500GB for SFA and shape the bageezus out of the connection, they know full well they're going to win big.

At least node is being honest.
advocate
Jul 29, 2010 8:54 AM
Telstra does own the last mile access to the exchange, and this is under the legislative jurisdiction of the ACCC for both pricing and access.

But Telstra do not have the monopoly on the provision of the wholesale ADSL2+ service, it has many competitors, what ISP's don't like is that Telstra still has the best ADSL2+ DSLAM coverage, so that when BigPond drops prices competitors cannot match it on the Telstra Wholesale sourced product.

What they don't mention of course is that they can quite easily undercut BigPond either using their own DSLAM's or sourcing ADSL2+ wholesale and Naked DSL from the likes of Optus and Chime (iiNet) etc.
They also don't mention that alternative wholesale ADSL2+ covers the high density lucrative population areas of Australia, that's why they are there.

What I find amazing is that after 13 years of having a honeymoon in that ISP's could quite easily poach customers from BigPond at end of contract with better quotas, cheaper pricing and customer service, as soon as BigPond comes somewhat nearer and I emphasize the word 'somewhat' here (just read all the conditions including contract length you have to fill to get the cheaper latest BigPond plans), it's off to the ACCC they go!



Edited by advocate: 11/8/2010 10:54:48 AM
masked
Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM
advocate, I suppose you missed the other article where Telstra got fined $18.5m yesterday for denying exchange access for no good reason.

I find your stand-point ignorant and of no one's interest.

I don't have a contract with Internode, that's the best thing about it.

Why put Telstra on a pedestal? They should have remained owned by the government and delivered as a utility like transport and water should still be!

Open access fair play networks allows everyone to have choice not only of brand but of genuine quality! Something you seem to fail to understand.

Internode did use Optus ADSL2+ and have sinced stopped offering such services, yet KEPT Telstra Wholesale, now it's just God damn fair TW offer realistic pricing. I could switch to BigPond now, still using the same line, same DSLAM, just aggregated elsewhere and with sub-performance, less options to pay for value added services, and atleast 25% of my 200GB going to uploads!

Telstra effectively GET PAID to provide bandwidth, why should they deprive it for others?
advocate
Jul 29, 2010 1:39 PM
No I didn't miss that article, but other than a somewhat desperate attempt as a diversion what has that got to do with the article under discussion here?

"Open access fair play networks allows everyone to have choice not only of brand but of genuine quality! Something you seem to fail to understand."

A meaningless cliche ridden rant, if Internode is so worried about BigPond taking customers away from them because they have better ADSL exchange coverage why don't they ramp up their own DSLAM rollout, or obtain access from a bigger supplier like iiNet or pressure their wholesale partner SingTel Optus to start rolling out DSLAM's again - not likely as Optus is keeping their hands in their infrastructure pockets waiting to resell the taxpayer funded NBN.

You say you could switch to BigPond but then you proceed to list all that is wrong with BigPond, makes you wonder what ISP's are complaining to the ACCC about then if you think they are so uncompetitive!

woodman1975
Jul 30, 2010 10:15 AM
After spending hours on the phone to Telstra I have given up on them completely. I will pay $140 or whatever they want to break my contract in order to free myself from their clutches. I am so sick of being ripped off for such poor service. I only have adsl1 out here in gippsland. I have been on a 256kbps SLOW connection for 12months with 12G of download per month. My phone is only connected to use the internet. I hardly make any calls on my mobile yet all together my bill is always over $120 per month for something I hardly use (I am too scared to use my mobile because this $120 will only increase if I do and I simply can't afford it)

Now I find out I can get 40G per month at much faster speed 600 free calls each month and will never pay more than 94 per month. I have a voip handset on its way and will never use Telstra again. Its not only the fact that you get ripped off but the service provided through the call center is pathetic. I run a business from home and don't have hours to waste on the phone to Telstra. Luckily with my transfer of everything over to gotalk.com.au I will never have to deal with them again. NO MORE 13POND PATHETIC SERVICE WITH TOO MANY DEPARTMENTS. I sent off a customer feedback form and never heard back from them GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE you don't deserve to make any money after what I have been through for 12months.
Maybe instead of wasting so much time and money advertising for new customers they should do more to keep the ones they have. I gave them so many chances and no-one at Telstra seemed to care about me or my small business. I hope they lose more customers as I spread the word in my town about what else is now on offer. So many people out here think they are stuck with Telstra. Once I let them know how much they will save they will change over as well. You'd be stupid not to.
Its not in their interest to tell you about new plans. My father inlaw is also getting ripped off. Most older people find it all too confusing and simply stay with them because they don't understand Gigs or bytes or whatever. I found out my father in law is paying a high price for MegaBytes per month and always ends up going over, this costs him a fortune. Telstra are not educating people about new plans and people have a right to know the truth. If these old plans don't exist anymore then it should upgrade automatically, they don't, and Telstra continue making sky high profit. ITS WRONG AND I WILL EXPOSE YOU. I'm ringing 3aw, anyone I can tell, this needs to be exposed for the rip off company it is!
DanielBrown
Aug 1, 2010 10:27 PM
advocate ... "why don't they ramp up their own DSLAM rollout, or obtain access from a bigger supplier like iiNet or pressure their wholesale partner SingTel Optus to start rolling out DSLAM's again"

...

"Telstra has been fined $18.55 million by the Federal Court for breaching its carrier license and the law by refusing to allow ISPs access to its exchanges".

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/221244,telstra-fined-185m-for-exchange-access.aspx

They cant roll it out quicker, they have been refused access!
advocate
Aug 3, 2010 11:01 AM
DanielBrown, that ruling was just about 7 metropolitan exchanges, and is in the past, it still does not explain why Australia's main competitor has STOPPED its rollout completely.
advocate
Aug 3, 2010 11:03 AM
That should read Telstra's main competitor Optus.
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